Who have been the best ever exponents of the 4 main disciplines in MMA?

Discussion in 'MMA Forum' started by Kittikasem, Jun 11, 2011.


  1. Kittikasem

    Kittikasem Guest

    Although there have been many, many skills utilized in MMA (Sambo by Fedor, Karate by Machida, Judo by Parisyan & Akiyama etc), I think there are four main disciplines used:

    Boxing
    Muay Thai
    Wrestling
    Jiu-Jitsu

    Who, in your opinion, have been the four best fighters in MMA ever, one for each discipline? :bbb


    * please note, I am not asking who the guys are with the best credentials outwith MMA, like who has won the most jiu-jitsu/wrestling championships or anything, I'm asking about who has used these skills the best within MMA competition IYO
     
  2. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Muay Thai is Anderson Silva

    BJJ... currently Damian Maia or Jacare historically it's up for grabs, but I wouldn't argue against Royce or Rickson

    Wrestling is very debatable. IMO it's a mean to an end, so the most effective guys might not always be the most visible. Anyways, currently GSP. Historically Mark Coleman pretty much made a career out of his double leg. Randy Couture was still manhandling guys at the age of 68 using his greco. Sakuraba took out how many guys using almost pure catch/shoot/pro-wrestling? Then you've got all the sprawl-n-brawl guys (Liddel, Igor, CC, early Pulver).

    Boxing... Dos Santos
     
  3. Kittikasem

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    At gunpoint, what would your one choice be for the wrestling category? :D
     
  4. Primate

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  5. rusty nails

    rusty nails Tszyu for PM!! Full Member

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    maia - bjj
    karo parysian - judo
    spider - muay thai
    gsp - wrestling
    randy/diaz - boxing
     
  6. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Boxing: Junior Dos Santos

    Muay Thai: Jose Aldo

    Wrestling: In terms of actual MMA wrestling taking a guy down and controlling him its GSP imo, in terms of upper body grappling Randy is a good shout.

    Jiu-Jitsu: This is hard because in terms of what fighters have shown at the level they are fighting the answer is Roger Gracie, who is so good its scary.

    But in terms of vs high level comp, BJ Penn on top of you is a bad day and its not a great thing to put Maia on his back. Id say Jacare probably is the best guy all round for MMA BJJ, but id say that Roger will eventually be the best.
     
  7. Beekeeper

    Beekeeper Bedtime Story, Aoki Style Full Member

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    Boxing - Gegard Mousasi

    Muay Thai - Spider

    Wrestling - GSP

    Ju-Jitsu - Shinya Aoki
     
  8. Lefthooktommy

    Lefthooktommy Natural Born Killer Full Member

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    Boxing = BJ Penn

    Muay Thai = A. Silva

    Wrestling = Ben Askren

    Ju-Jitsu = Maia

    Judo = Rick Hawn
     
  9. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    JDS's boxing is garbage. He has heavy hands no question about that. And compared to his peers above averaged striking. But considering striking in MMA from a purist perspective is so poor that's not much of an accomplishment. Head to head Arlovski has better technique and the better hands. What lets him down though is his chin.
    Of course classical boxing is very difficult in MMA unless modified to suit. That said JDS's boxing would certainly not translate into boxing under Marquis of Queensbury. Id go as far to saying Kharitonov has better hands than him and better boxing acumen.
     
  10. Lefthooktommy

    Lefthooktommy Natural Born Killer Full Member

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    Quoted for truth:happy:happy:happy
     
  11. Primate

    Primate Boxing Addict Full Member

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    But, JDS has arguably used it more successfully, as per the original question: "I'm asking about who has used these skills the best within MMA competition IYO"

    Which is why I'm not sure why people are saying Karo for judo or ben askren for wrestling when there are guys around who have used those disciplines to achieve far greater levels of success
     
  12. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    MMA boxing I thought this was for. Also Arlovski's head movment and body punching is not great. He also backs up in a straight line (his biggest problem).

    Boxing as I am sure you know Scurla is not just about how you throw hands.
     
  13. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    If you'd asked that question 10 years ago it would have been much easier to give you an answer. The problem with MMA now is its a new martial art and discipline in its own right. The days when fighters represented one particular MA are gone. And thus the lines have blurred.
    Completely see your point though but it's just not that cut and dried with the current crop of fighters.

    If i was to go by 5-10 years ago id say:

    Kerr/Coleman = Wrestling

    Big Nog = BJJ

    Anyone from ChuteBoxe :D (Wandy Shogun) = Muay Thai

    CC = Kickboxing
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Absolutely i agree. But im looking at it just from a purist perspective. AA has good technique in respect of boxing. But his faults aside none of those skills would translate at all under Queensbury rules because his chin is so poor and like you say some of his other fundamental flaws.
    For me there is no one in MMA ever that has represented boxing to its fullest.

    Actually there is one man. Yōsuke Nishijima. He fought 5 times in PRIDE and the K1 and lost every match against some of the best competition the sport had to offer. Unfortunately for Nishijima he used pure boxing technique to try and beat mixed martial artists. Bad idea. :yep
     
  15. smbsmd

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    Kharitonov has the best boxing skills :deal

    [ame]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Kharitonov[/ame]