Who here uses weights in their training?

mike tyson is a freak of nature and had natural strength

that will not work as well for the average person who isn't gifted with abnormal power

 

you are very naive

 

Indeed that is more sports specific than weight lifting. Still not fully though.

That's why I punch the heavy bag, it's the exact movement I need, no downwards pull because of the weight of a medicine ball, it doesn't stop me from being explosive like the weight of the ball does, and the bag adds exactly the kind of resistance I want namely a sudden one instead of a gradual one.

100% sports specific, I'm not settling for 70% or even less :good

 

It works perfect for me and I'm nowhere near a freak of nature. Average persons bodies also adapt to the tasks given.

 

Fantastic argument. I think you are naive not to believe in specificity and adaptability.

 

i also do sport specific training. I hit the heavy bag, spar, jump rope, shadow box. If you adapt to the same routine/workout you body will not improve.
The body needs to be shocked to improve, too much adaption will slow down the development

if you only hit the heavy bag for strength your body will not improve unless you keep getting heavier heavy bags.

if you keep changing up your conditioning routine with weights your body will not adapt to the same routine and it will continue to improve in other areas it wouldn't have if you stuck with the same routine.

thinking only sport specific is very narrow minded, cross training will help you in your specific sport.

yes hitting a heavy bag will improve your punching power, but only to a certain level. That's is when you need to do strength training with weights, keep the reps low/maximum weight. If trained correctly you will not bulk up.

combat conditioning with weights is different to body building with weights

 

The level where heavy bag work stops improving power is the optimum level. That would be the perfect trade off between strength, endurance, etc. The bag I use is very heavy and hard as a rock. It would stop improving me if I kept hitting it with the same power. But power improves, then you hit the bag harder, which shocks the system again, and repeat.

There is a point where weights will also stop giving more strength unless you go for hypertrophy.

 

have a look at the CROSSFIT website, that is the sort of weight training you should be doing.
I don't agree with standard weight training, like shoulder press, bicep curls, I'm not saying it wouldn't work, but the cross fit stuff is perfect for combat conditioning, it will improve strength, cardio and mental strength.

this is the workout we did the other night

5x3 Turkish get ups each arm, max weight. ( full body exercise)

then we done these exercises holding a 20kg plate

walking lunges with over head press (20meters)
20 rows with 20kg plate
20 push ups
20 gets ups holding the 20kg plate
20 around the worlds with 20 kg plate
walking lunges holding plate above head (20 meters)
20 turkish sit ups with 20 kg plate

we had to repeat this 3 times and we are being timed, we have to complete this as fast as we can

then do 100 burpees ( the 3 rounds and 100 burpees took me 20 minutes, no breaks..)


now this isn't specific to boxing, but this is awesome full body strength and conditioning. You will not bulk up to much doing this.

You are working upper body, legs and core in this workout.

this improves your strength, endurance and cardio

if you think doing a workout of this intensity 2 times a week wont make you stronger, fitter and harder then you have no idea about how to train.

we never do the same workout, we always change it up, that is what makes it hard. But it is always intense.

so are you still saying that punching a heavy bag will make you stronger then this...

strength and conditioning is the key

 

I know crossfit, and apart from my bag work you have no idea what my routine is actually like. Thanks for not addressing any of the points regarding specificity, adaptability and reversibility, or any other for that matter. It was a pleasure debating with you. I wish you good luck with your workout but do not pretend your view is any more scientific than mine.

And yes I still maintain that a sports specific workout will do more for boxing than what you just posted, although it looks like a fine routine to mix in every now and then. I also never said weights didn't have a purpose, just that I myself see no need for them. Somehow it doesn't register with you, perhaps you should lay down the steroids.

I'll leave it at that since you won't address anything anyway.

 

I would just like to jump in and say that weighted bag gloves are the ****. And I love them...carry on.

 

boxers should box. a strong core will not benefit you when you spar a southpaw for the first time and you're getting drilled with straight lefts or help you get past the jab of a taller fighter, strong legs won't teach you good foot work, strong shoulders won't give your punches snap if you're already using bad technique. i'm not saying turkish get ups are useless, i'm saying that you'll learn more through sparring, shadowboxing, and bag work than you ever will lifting weights.

prove me wrong.:blurp

 

What's wrong with doing weights, and other forms of conditioning along with boxing specific conditioning?

 

there's nothing wrong with it. i like using weights sometimes. but if i had the chance to spar with a great boxer a few times a week or weight train, i'd pick the sparring. i'm not saying that one form of training is useless, just that in the grand scheme of things, the best way to train speed, power, and ring IQ in boxing is to box. my local gym closed recently and in the meantime i've been shadowboxing up to 20 rounds a day, and i feel great about it.

 

I use weights jus not in the same way as i wud if i was training for asthetics

 

You're twisting the way people would use weight training, I could say the same about people who think it's a good idea to waste their time running 10 miles a day instead of sparring or whatever. You don't weight train instead of boxing, nobody has ever said that. Weight training can be integrated into a routine to increase strength and can be used for conditioning. Obviously boxing skills come before weight training, nobody ever denied that.