Who Hit Harder Marciano Or Lewis???

Tempted to pick Marciano just so Mcvey goes off on one. I'll call it even for now

 

Lennox lewis

 

look Marciano hits harder than all or almost all of the biggest & most muscular bar guys or weightlifters all of us ever knew. Sure size is not everything.

But if you have boxers who both know how to throw well & commit with their whole bodies, & have a natural ability here, a much larger bomber like Lewis must have hit harder. He also beat nbgger & better competition overall.
Certainly skilled big guys it was not even close.
Rocky was great at attrition punching & usually somewhat higher volume.

 

What a close minded you are! Obviously Lewis was heavier than Marciano
because he was taller.Can you imagine a 6"4.5"-6'5" fighter with 190
pounds? This is= a skeleton without significant muscle mass .
Otherwise the great 245-250 pounds Lewis is just a myth.
Lewis' average weight was about 239,5 pounds in pro.
Yes Lewis competed with 257 pounds and he was slow and crap
against Vitali.
Lewis was 254 pounds and the bum Rahman destroyed him.
Lewis was 247 pounds against the fat Mercer.And he was crap.
Big thing the 249 pounds Lewis beat the very fat,slow Tua by points.
The at least 235 pounds Lewis' record is 18-2-1
and with only 10 power kos. (I don't care the ****ing cut and mental kos.)
The HeavyweightBlog(The objective view on Heavyweight Boxing)
a klitschko fan blog(I don't like the klitschkos but i don't wanna be too
subjective) rules:The ko ratio =50% and below is a FEATHERFIST !!!

The at least 235 pounds Lewis has 10 power kos/21 fights=
47.6 % power ko.In my book the "big" Lewis was a featherfisted fighter by the HeavyweightBlog logic .
Plus the mythical awesome big Lewis'( at least 235 pounds)
18-2-1 record is crap considering Holyfield was 37 years old on the
rematch,Tua was fat,Golota had health problem,Tucker was fat a far
away from his prime,Tyson was a joke on their fight,McCall was mental collapsed on the rematch,Butler and Mercer were fat(The 42 years old Holmes could beat the unbeaten Mercer,and Lewis was in trouble against
the fat Mercer.),Lewis was impotent against Akinwande(What a lame
fight!).

- Other big Lewis' opponents:Who's the hell Fortune?
Mavrovic the unathletic skinny eurobum with a short unimportant pro-carrier.
- I think Botha wasn't in prime against Lewis.
-Grant the glass-chinned.Modern heavyweight.Yes modern and crap.
-Briggs? Maybe the incredible old Foreman was better than this buffoon.
-The glass-chinned Rahman and Morrison.
I think Marciano ko against 37 years old but ripped muscular
Joe Louis (What about the 37 years old Sanders' pathetic body against wladimir?) or the Walcott kos were more impressive things than
some overrated Lewis' wins.

Without the Lennox klitards' propaganda Lewis didn't look so dangerous.

 

This is just a speculation.A 300 pounds elite ripped muscular bodybuilder freakis weaker than 200 pounds weightlifter or powerlifter.
And a weightlifter knows -sometimes- better the different weightlifting
training (like barbell curl etc.)
I don't know 100% equal factors.No equal skill or muscle quality.
Practically it's impossible.
But i can imagine and accept Lewis was the harder puncher but the
difference isn't so big .But the Valuev thing proves the weight
isn't a factor.Otherwise Valuev couldn't punch harder nearly two times than
Marciano.It's impossible.Can you imagine the injuries by
similar hard(two times bigger punches than Marcianos' hardest) punches?
And Valuev wasn't unskilled at all.a unskilled fighter couldn't beat Ruiz
or old version but still decent Holyfield by scores.
Valuev was a clumsy and ugly, funny(hair etc.) fighter but this doesn't mean he was unskilled.Big chance the Sauerland has/had good trainers.
Basically the punching power is genetical thing but i think some fighters
could develop his power by hard training and/or steroids.
Ruddock was a skinny featherfisted fighter but with extra quality muscle mass
(THE QUALITY MUSCLE MASS is the important not the size) he was
another dangerous power-puncher.I think his skill was the same.
And the hard puncher prime Ruddock wasn't fat at all.His heght couldn't
change.
The skill and weight is an overrated factor.The Ruddock case proves
the quality muscle mass is most important and underrated factor.

Valuev was a mediocre,decent puncher in best case.
Marciano and Lewis were harder punchers.

 

I cited just one example; there are many others. And I don't disagree that greater size and weight often do correlate with an increase in punching power and physical strength/durability, but it's hardly a given. And nice to give yourself an out with the 'flatlining of the power increase above a certain height and weight'. If I cite an example of a lighter but still heavy guy having a clear power advantage of a bigger guy, you will say that it's because of the law of diminished returns and the flatlining of power above a certain height and weight.

So, where is the cutoff where this flatlining takes place? 200 pounds? 220? And at what height? 6'2"? 6'4"?

Simply viewing the tale of the tape should be all that is necessary for determining who is the strongest and most durable between fighters -- but it doesn't always work like that.

 

I agree. Somebody on another thread said that Alex Stewart hit harder than Marciano simply because he was bigger, like it was a fact not an opinion. Size is obviously a factor, but it isn't the only consideration. Are people saying Bruce Seldon hit harder than Joe Frazier?

Even fighters of similar size can be completely different in power terms. Joe Bugner was similar in size to George Foreman but had nowhere near George's power.

Also, some of the smaller heavies like Dempsey and Louis showed the power in their punches by how their opponents reacted to it. If you look at Louis against Buddy Baer for instance, Louis makes Baer do a pirouette with one right hand; what did Louis weigh? Has Holyfield ever showed that kind of power?

Back to the thread, I think Lewis hits harder than Rocky because he got great leverage into his punches and made every pound count, unlike some big Heavyweights. It's impossible to say how much harder he hit, though, without the two having fought common opponents.

I think where Rocky falls down is the lack of 200lb fighters on his record. If like Louis he had kayoed a host of big heavyweights I would be more likely to say that he hit as hard as Lewis.

Another interesting thought: What would have happened if Rocky landed his Walcott punch on Lewis? Was it it as good a shot as the Rahman or McCall shots? I think it was as good if not better than McCall's, not sure about Rahman's!

 

No, Tucker was very flat-footed by that point.
Tyrell Biggs was never hard to hit. He was always there taking punishment.

Charles and Walcott were slick small guys. Completely different type of fighter.

I agree. That's why I doubt he'd go undefeated there too.

 

Yeah but in the example you state you are not comparing apples with apples.

Put simply, the reason there are weight classes in boxing is because smaller fighters can not compete with bigger fighters - there are some exceptions but 99% of the time this is true.

Marciano is a great 190lb fighter, Lewis a great 230lb+ fighter. Lewis KOed big men with singe shots, Marciano did not.

Valuev was useless - all he had was his size, he does not deserve a mention when comparing to Lewis.

 

I cant believe some people are even arguing over this

Do some people not seem to realise why there are weight divisions

Sure a smaller man can sometimes hit harder than a bigger man

But when you compare a smaller man with good technique to a bigger man with equally good tecnique - It will always be the bigger man - -- Hence weight limits in boxing__

I dont think Marciano could of stopped Ruddock either

 

theres always some chance. byrd stopped quitali.