Who hit harder?

Well yes, this is another important factor. I would not bet Howard Cossels wig on any version of Williams lasting more than two rounds with Frazier.

They actually fought in an exhibition.

 

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How is that relevant in any way?

 

All good points. We just need examples of this power. For Williams what is there to go on? I don't think Williams hit any harder than Manuel Ramos or Alejandro Lavorante.

Ring Magazine were right to list Williams well behind Frazuer in a list of Big Punchers.

 

Frazier ko'd 8 men.
Blond Cowboys and part time football players?

How about these Frazier ko victims?
Abe Davis 5-22-1 he was ko'd 13 times.
Al Jones 3-5-2 he was ko'd 24 times!
Mel Turnbow 6-3-0 he was ko'd 10 times.
Chuck Leslie 13-9-2 he was ko'd 6 times.
These men had a total of 147 fights 68 wins 84 losses 44 by ko.
I don't think they played football, I doubt they were durable enough for it!

 

The fights with Liston shows his power to me.

 

If you measured both there punching power I reckon Williams would probably come out on top. However Joe was so ferocious and disheartened many of his opponents that it maybe made him out to be a bigger puncher than he was.

His left hook is definitely a powerful shot, but what about the rest of them?

Either way Joe was the overall better fighter, that's what really matters.

 

Those guys are certainly slim pickings. Woeful opposition for sure. But there are far fewer of them on a Fraziers record. The vast body of work on the Resume of Williams is littered with poor saps with names like Baby Booze, Graveyard Walters, Candy ass Mcdaniels. I kid you not One guy was called "ponce". He lasted the distance. Another guy called Claude. I tried to find a "widow cranky" or "Uncle Tom cobblers" but no joy. If anyone fought Fought more Clowns I would be surprised.

 

Well I see your point, Williams sure hit the canvas pretty hard against Liston.

 

No way ! Was it filmed?

 

There was photos of it in google at one time but I can't find them anymore.

 

This is just so silly. You're not doing yourself any favors here.

 

They represent 50% of Frazier's ko victims another 25% Jones and Foster were blown up light heavies. Pot Kettle?

 

But dosnt he erase all of that by beating real classy guys inside the schedule like Quarry, Chuvalo, Machen and knocking out Mathis, Foster and Ellis.

Williams never made that leap. And what we do see of him against lesser men is not as impressive IMO.

 

Sorry I could not resist it.

But truthfully, Williams did give Sonny all he could handle before he was crushed. He was doing fine while it lasted. And he should be afforded the same kind of credit as other plucky men who had a real go at a famous fighter "while it lasted". I fully accept that view.

It's like Tami Mauriello gave Joe Louis all he could handle before he was crushed too.