Who hits harder: Artur Beterbiev or Rocky Marciano?

Sorry to disagree but as mentioned Marcianos record is well padded to 49/0 .The fact is we won’t ever know if Beterbiev could stop 49 opponents as it simply can’t happen so we would never know. Looking at Marcianos record and the level of his opponents,if Beterbiev had fought that level of opponents he’s certainly in with a shout of stopping them. Why did Marciano not challenge for the Title earlier instead of waiting till his 42nd fight instead of waiting around. This thread is about who hits harder Beterbiev or Marciano and nothing to do with Tyson Louis Shavers Wilder or Foreman. This back and forth can go on forever but surely we can both agree that Marcianos record despite him being unbeaten his level of opponents in all honesty is not all that and the era in which he fought was also lacking,Marciano was tough and no doubt about that,which was probably his biggest asset over power .

 

Rocky liked blocking punches with his face.

Look at the end of every fight he had, his face was mangled and his nose was bent beyond recognition.

Yeah, he had an engine. So what? That just meant he could take a beating and that his power wasn't as effective in the later rounds. Otherwise he would be chinning everyone earlier in the fights.

A modern Marciano would be a very small CW or a large LHW. He was beating "HWs" simply by outlasting them because bigger guys fatigue quicker than little guys. On the other hand, it's not like AB is beating small guys in there, he's beating guys that are rehydrating to nearly 200lbs also.

Anyway, Beterbiev rearranges his face and knocks Marciano's toupee off his head.

Yes, I'm a fanboy of AB. Equally, I am capable of looking at things objectively and my analysis' of any fight is based on the patterns of behaviour I see in fighters before arriving at any meaningful type of conclusion.

 

And ? Marciano's best opponents would beat the crap out of Beterbiev's best opponents.

Beterbiev is not stopping Walcott, Charles and Moore.

Because Marciano had literally no amateur career, in comparison to Beterbiev's hundreds of fights' worth of amateur experience. He was getting better while fighting as a pro, and not as an amateur. While Beterbiev was already the finished article when he turned professional. And I'm using guys like Foreman and Tyson as examples, they're way bigger men who have stopped more durable fighters than Beterbiev has, despite them not having a 100% KO percentage. Marciano may not be way bigger than Beterbiev, but he has proven that he can hurt bigger and more durable men. That's what this is all about.

Yeah, it was lacking as a Heavyweight era. Because Marciano's best opponents were the 195-200 lbs Walcott and the blown up Light Heavyweights Archie Moore and Ezzard Charles. Marciano beating them does not equate with him beating Muhammad Ali, Lennox Lewis, George Foreman and Mike Tyson. But we're not comparing him with Ali and Lewis here, we're comparing him with Beterbiev. Marciano stopped both Ezzard Charles and Archie Moore, who are literally the consensus top 2 Light Heavyweights of all time, who despite being in decline were still some of the best fighters around, Moore specifically went on to rule the LHW division for years. If he can stop them, he can stop anyone Beterbiev has ever faced.

 

Probably Marciano.

 

You have just said it yourself, Marcianos best opponents were Walcott and the LHW Moore and Charles !
Walcott had already lost 18 times before fighting Marciano and had been stopped 4 times in those defeats.
Charles had already lost 9 times before fighting Marciano and had been stopped 2 times in those defeats.
Moore had already lost 19 times before fighting Marciano and had been stopped 4 times in those defeats .
Them numbers just show how padded Marcianos record really is and how poor the era was he fought in .
Saying Marcianos best opponents would beat the crap out of Beterbievs best opponents is nothing more than your own personal opinion as the statement can not be proven or even un proven .

 

P4P - Artur Beterbiev.
If Marciano dieted down to 175lbs and fought Artur Beterbiev at LHW - Artur Beterbiev would win by knockout.
If Artur Beterbiev were to fight Marciano at 185-190lbs, again IMO Artur Beterbiev would win by knockout.
I believe Artur Beterbiev enters the ring at about that weight (185lbs).

 

11 of those losses where when he was struggling to support a wife and half a dozen children, while barely training. 2 of them were against Joey Maxim and Elmer Ray, which he would avenge. 2 were against Joe Louis and 2 were against Charles (which he would avenge), it's hardly shameful to lose to Louis and Charles.

Look at the guys Charles lost to and at what point of his career, and then tell me if any of Beterbiev's opponents would have done any better.

Against a literal murderer's row of opponents and while having hundreds of fights in a punishing fight schedule, while he was still mostly pre prime. Want to know Moore's record of his last 60 fights prior to fighting Marciano ? 56-4. His record after the Marciano fight until retirement ? 36-3-2. Nice try, but you fail.

No, they just show how little you know about who Marciano actually fought and the context surrounding it.

 

My last post on this, we both have our own opinions on this and nothing changes what I have posted,I rate Beterbiev as a harder puncher than Marciano simple as that.We can’t compare fighters from the past to the present there are far too many intangibles to take into consideration so it 100% comes down to a persons own personal opinion on this subject which I respect. How many of Marciano’s opponents were Mob controlled ? again we will never know.However you said it yourself that Marciano's best opponents were Walcott and 2 LHWs who both had already endured multiple losses and stoppage defeats prior to facing Marciano.Moore and Charles were exceptional LHW fighters no argument from me.I know exactly who Marciano fought and when he fought them,hence my reason for picking Beterbiev as the harder puncher. I fail at nothing you have your opinion as I do mine .

 

I think Marciano

 

Marciano, however if Beterbiev were to jump up to cruiserweight and manage to rack up a couple of solid wins then I would have to reevaluate my position.

 

P4P Beterbiev imo

 

Archie Moore could have lost 200 times in his career and would still have been better than anyone Beterviev has or will fight.
AB has only 19 fights to pick from. Marciano 49 so even that information rules out Beter and sure Marciano fought some low level guys but then again he had zero amateur career.

So it's Marciano. HIs KO with one punch of Charles trumps anything Beterbiev has done. And I think AB is a modern day monster; very tough guy who I admire. But this is apples to oranges.

 

rocky was KOing light heavyweight and heavyweight greats for fun, no contest between them imo

 

You are the only fruit in here but as you are agreeing with my sterling opinion I'll let that comment slide...for now.