Who hits harder p4p, Stanley Ketchel or Deontay Wilder

Who Voldemort? Well I don't know about that.

But as of right now I think Marciano needs to be ranked a head of him as a puncher, given that Wilder hasn't stopped a good opponent, Marciano has, and quite a few.

Nahhhhhhh

 

Charles vs Walcott 3 > Walcott vs Marciano 1

Marciano Walcott definitely isn't the best one punch KO ever. In fact there's probably a good 5 or so better.

Wlad vs Pulev
Patterson vs Ingo 2
Frazier vs Foster
Wilder vs Liakahovich
Wilder vs Spzilka
Charles vs Walcott 3

And don't even get me started on lower weights.

 

The only fighter Wilder has faced who he hasn't stopped is Fury ... and he had him down twice and other refs would've stopped that.

 

When it comes to power, Wilder isn't a notch below anyone ... in any division ... ever.

I loved Earnie Shavers, but Wilder KILLS Shavers.

Liston and Foreman and Baer were excellent punchers, but they had to pound people to stop them. Wilder destroys men with one shot.

It's baffling to me how so many people are just so oblivious about how special Wilder is.

I've been following boxing and watching it live for more than 40 years. I've never seen anything like it.

People need to enjoy Wilder while he's active. Because he won't be around forever. We're witnessing a puncher the likes of whom we may never see again in our lifetimes. And I know that may sound like an exaggeration, but it isn't.

 

1. Was Stiverne really a top fighter in the rematch?
2. Would've? Not good enough. He didn't stop him.

So that's 1 stoppage over a top opponent in 42 fights and Ortiz being a top opponent is up for debate anyway.

 

Whilst I agree that Wilder wins, by early KO. Wilder vs Shavers would be bloody brilliant to watch.

Wilders only top stoppage, Ortiz, wasn't with one shot. Foreman, Liston, Shavers and Baer stopped people with one shot, it's there on the reports and footage. But there top stoppages are what there known for, Wilder doesn't have any. So he's know for one bombing bums out. Wilder vs the best comp that they all faced wouldn't have them down in one shot either.

 

And who is responsible for Stiverne not being the same in the rematch? Did Arreola ruin him? Stiverne never took a bad beating in his career ... until he fought Wilder.

Wilder floored Stiverne four times in two fights and stopped him once. The first knockdown in the first fight resulted in Wilder breaking his right hand. Still, Stiverne spent days in the hospital pissing blood. (They comically blamed it on dehydration.) And Stiverne was never the same after that first fight.

If we're counting boxers who Wilder stopped, I don't know how the hell you leave Stiverne off the list. He dropped him four times and knocked Stiverne out.

The only boxer Wilder faced who he hasn't stopped is Fury. And he had him down twice, too.

 

Stiverne. But that doesn't make him a top opponent.

And? It's Stiverne for ****s sake. He was 36 years of age.
Never the same? He's aged 3 years and has only had 4 more fights. And he had time out. He was never going to be the same.

None of that matters anyway. Bring up anything you want it doesn't change the fact he didn't stop him whilst in the fight that mattered. He did in the shambolic rematch but Stiverne was then 39 and had only had 1 fight in nearly 3 years.

Again I repeat as above.

Stiverne wasn't a top opponent by the time of the rematch.

That's very impressive, but let's add some context.

He's faced 3 top opponents, he didn't stop 2, he did stop Ortiz but it he failed to destroy him with his fabled right hand in the 5th, he did overcome adversity and stop him with an unbelievable uppercut in the 10th.
He did drop both Fury and Stiverne. So credit to him, but he didn't KO either.

Please keep in mind that I'm not doubting his power, he clearly hits unbelievably hard but he's not in the conversation for top punchers yet. He hasn't proven it.

 

Yes, WBC Heavyweight Champion for FOUR years, NINE successful title defenses, NO "top" stoppages (whatever the hell that means - did you just make that up today?), only fought bums. Why didn't you vote for Ketchel then?

I'm tired of arguing to people with blinders on.

10 years from now, you'll be telling kids who just started watching boxing that they MISSED OUT on seeing Wilder destroy guys.

What I've learned over the years is the majority of boxing fans don't realize what's going on until it's over.

I don't know how many hours I spent arguing with people who said the same things about fighters like Lennox Lewis, which seems ludicrous now.

I was kicked off boards by mods who insisted at the time that Tua was going to waste Lewis in a round or two. And when I tried to defend Lewis, it was Lennox hasn't fought anyone. Lennox has no chin. Lennox was stopped twice with one punch. Holyfield was ancient and deserved the win.

Those guys who banned me are probably now telling people how nobody now is as good as Lewis was.

Enjoy Wilder while you have him.

He's likely the best puncher in the sports history.

 

Stiverne was the WBC Heavyweight Champion and rated #2 by Ring when Wilder floored him, sent him to the hospital and all but ruined him.

But I'm sure you know more about it than I do ... since you weren't even following boxing in 2015. How old were you then? 11?

I'm not arguing this with you.

Word of advice: You can't insist he's only fought BUMS in one post and then say he's a better puncher than Ketchel in another.

Pick a side.

 

Please feel free to tell me the notable opponents Wilder has stopped.

I count Ortiz. Breazeale if we're being generous.
So that's 2 in those 9 title defences.

Because Wilder clearly hits like a ****ing freight train. I have never said that Wilder cannot punch, I maintain until the day he changes it that his credentials as a puncher are very overrated.

I hope I am. He's unbelievably entertaining. Complete can't miss fights.

And now Tua is the one of the most overrated fighters in history.

Before the Tua fight Lewis had fought plenty of top fighters, was undisputed champion and was only stopped once.

I am, I'd enjoy him more against the best in the division though.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

He didn't stop him. That's the be all and end all. Punchers stop people.

Completely irrelevant.

It's fine. Most people cut there losses too late, so good on you.

1. He has only stopped bums (bar Ortiz).
2. The question asked was who hit harder pound for pound. I believe Wilder hits harder.
I'm saying he hasn't proven himself as the best puncher in Heavyweight history.

Calm down son, it's not a war, those days are long over.

 

Only bums? Bums?

You join the long list of guys I've met over the years who can regurgitate everything they've read about all the boxers whose careers are over ... because anyone can do that ...

But you can't recognize what's going on in real time.

I guess it's good no actual bums have gone the distance with Wilder - unlike the laundry list of 'bums' who went the distance with Foreman and Liston and Baer and Shavers. Or you'd be even more lost.

You'll catch up someday. There's always somebody who is last across the finish line.

Gotta go.