Who In Here Hates The "Punch & Hold" Technique?

When it's used excessively as a replacement for boxing ability, like Ruiz did, it should result in a DQ. When it's used judiciously, as a SUPPLEMENT for actual boxing, like Hatton or Hopkins do, then it's a different matter.

 

Totally agree. I'm sure you are a Trinidad fan by the looks of your avatar, and most likely a Cotto fan. So yeah, I would take those two's style of fighting over Hatton's anyday.

 

Exactly. An occasional clinch is fine, but when they do it every time the other guy gets within 3 feet of him, I lose interest......

 

Mosley did nothing wrong vs Margarito and anyone who compares that to what John Ruiz does is an idiot. There is a difference between tying up to stop an opponents effectivness and holding just because you can't do anything else.

 

****'em if they do. When its done right its smart boxing and I like it. Honestly, we need more guys like the Kernal commentating on boxing that will explain the intelligence of the technique when its been done right. To many boxing analysts won't say much about it until its getting out of hand. I wouldn't mind see them cover bothsides of the story sometimes as it were.

 

Grady Brewer used it perfectly against Steve Forbes. I know that was a lower level fight, but damn, Forbes is faster, smarter, and a better boxer than Brewer. Grady did what he was told, fired off 3-4 punches, and then used his size and strength to tie Forbes up. Not an important fight, but certainly a good example of tying a guy up being "smart boxing."

 

When Hatton did it against Tszyu, i developed a new level of hatred for it.

That was the first time i saw Hatton fight, and i walked away shatterd that the new champ is one of the most boriing fighters ever. Luckily he's not that boring all the time.

 

Mosley didn't do it as much as you think he did, Mosley stood toe to toe with Margarito and beat him at it in EVERY exchange, he didn't hold all the way. When Mosley was pinned on the ropes he had to hold to not allow Margarito to land the punches he wanted. Half the time it was actually MOSLEY backing off Margarito, not the other way around.

You might not like it but you know what happens if a fighter doesn't use it, just watch the Cotto fight. Cotto wasn't exactly proving his self a gladiator by standing on the ropes and taking punches by triple force, he proved to be a loser when the night is over. Survivability and defense is a HUGE part of the sport, when you don't have it you will eventually fade or get KO'd. Margarito already had 5 losses(and 500 excuses for them) before he got his 6th and first KO, Cotto got his first. These guys that have no defense don't last long.

 

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nice one

 

I find it strange that you compare what Hatton and Mosley did to Bernard Hopkins.

 

I find this whole thread strange. Anyone who found the Hatton - Tszyu fight boring should either watch it again or change sports.

 

Mosleys wrestling and going in with his head continually worked for him but I bet it pissed Margarito off no end and Yeah thats all part of Hopkins fight style so what?
If Cotto had learned how to hold on then he wouldn't have got smashed up...

 

The bottom line is that holding is against the rules - there is no such thing as strategically clinching - it is illegal. However, referees seem to be much more lenient on this particular breach of the rules than many others (this is probably because it does not endanger anyones health like rabbit punching, low blows, kidney punches etc..). But the point remains, any fighter who deliberately holds is breaking the rules - it's only a 'part of the sport' as so many people keep saying because the refs are too lenient.

Marquess of Queensberry rules:
2. No wrestling or hugging allowed

WBC championship bout rules:
WC34 - fouls - 13. Holding the opponent or maintaining a clinch

WBA:
Refs are instructed to inform the fighters of this prior to a bouts:
"Three key fouls: Headbutting, Low Blow and Holding"

3. HOLDING
This is one of the most obvious poor tactics in the sport of boxing. It not only infuriates the fans, but it negates action during the bout. Therefore, it should be addressed accordingly



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marquess_of_Queensberry_rules
http://www.wbcboxing.com/WBCboxing/Portal/cfpages/contentmgr.cfm?docId=89&docTipo=1
http://www.wbaonline.com/officials/refereemanual.htm

 

Hatton was holding floyd like a leech.