In terms of hand speed, Louis clearly has the edge. But I was talking about movement and Vitali does great there for a man his size. He will easily keep Louis at bay due to his superior reach.
Simon had a reach of 82 in B Baer 83 in,M Baer 81 in, Carnera 85 in. Did they keep Louis at bay? Louis managed to get inside and work effectively against all those who out reached him, and Vitali was not a good inside fighter.
You should not be simpler, you should define your terms, be more detailed. "Giant" is subjective but relative. Since we are talking about boxing, 6' 7" is very tall, although average for the NBA. 250 LEAN is a lot of muscle mass, even at that height. You are using "giant" selectively & out of context. It makes no more sense to use it compared to the most massive, PED besotted lifters as using the tallest men in the world. Folks were obviously discussing size compared to historical boxers & HWs. This is what is relevant: but I am not only completely sincere, you have not the slightest reason to suspect that you are being trolled!
I'm not saying Vitali would beat Louis but let's not act like any of the guys you listed tried using their reach against Louis.
You focused on his reach not me. Bum is not a word I use for a professionaI fighter I find it extremely distasteful not to say disrespectful,I repeat Vital had no inside game and in every fight Louis fought before his abortive comeback he found a way to get inside and unload his combinations.
Modern giant is being used to exacerbate how "big" Vitali was because for some reason this forum is full of people that think being over 220 makes you colossally huge. Again, 6'7" is not a modern giant. In any context. If I saw someone walking down the street that was 6'7" and 250 lbs I wouldn't think they are a "modern giant". Most people wouldn't. It would just be another tall person. The more you call guys over 6'5 modern giants, the shorter guys around 6' become. Next thing you know, Joe Frazier is only up to Vitali's waist or Muhammad Ali is at shoulder height. You in particular have a very skewed idea of what strength and size in general really looks like.
Sorry it is *you* who have a very skewed idea of what is strong & large. At least you started discussing height-which unless someone specifies otherwise, is the main conventional definition of a "giant". I can agree that some folks think anyone over 220 is colossal-but that is both too extreme & does not control for body composition. However you go to the opposite extreme. Part of the problem is you are being too literal re: "modern giant". Few people mean that they are literally giants, like near the limits of the human maximum-even without hormonal problems & medical conditions. They just mean compared to the usual & especially historical HWs. Most people who see anyone who is 6' 7" would not just think of them as another tall person. They would be properly seen as very or extremely tall. And we can use a statistical analyses to define these terms. You are familiar with standars deviatons from the mean? Outside of 2 SDs above it you or whatever is being defined is more than 95% of the population of what is being studied. 6'7" is well beyond that level. Someone a little over 6' to around 6'3", maybe 6'4" at max is "another tall person" You get to 6'7", it is not only very rare for any woman, but just look up what percentage of men reach at least that height. So in summary part of our disagreement is illusory: you took what folks meant too literally: few would call 6'7" literally a giant in the strictest sense, it is a figure of speech-anyone who means it (which would be few) I would join you in arguing against that! But 6'7" is extremely tall by normal human standards: it is very uncommon even among men. Now 7' tall? THAT is so rare that you can say it is extremely unusual. On the order of 0.000038% of the human population. And there are only around 2,800 folks living that height. [url]Evidence[/url]. Now here is overwhelming evidence of how uncommon being 6'7" is. [url]HERE[/url]. Here from the search results, a bit fromthe qu-faq.com website. The one error they made is China & India account for approaching but less than half of the world's population-but similar heights are found in many other nations, often due to worse nutrition & health conditions (while we suffer from lifestyle diseases, inactivity & excess). What percentage of the world population is over 6 feet tall? Counting only fully grown adult men, around 10% of men are taller than 6 feet. This stat mainly exists because most of the world's population is made up by India and China, and their average heights for males is 5 ft 5″ for India and 5 ft 8″ for China. I would say 10% of the world and about 16% of Americans. In the U.S. population, about 14.5 percent of all men are six feet or over . Roughly 1% of US women are 6 feet tall or taller. The equivalent height cutoff for US men (only 1% of population taller) is about 6ʹ4″. How rare is it to be 6 7? It's crazy to say that's common lol. In the US, where the average for adult men is 5'9.5", a height of 6'7" is in the top 0.1% of all men , along with everything above 6'6.3". Yes, I'd say that's fairly uncommon, as only a bit less than 1 in 1,000 men will reach that height. Me again: So to be 6'7" or taller is almost 1 in 1,000 in America (taller than the world average) even among men Non-existant among children & at least as rare as real 7' men among WOMAN...So almost 1 in 1,000 (& we are taller than the world average) even just considering MEN. Yeah that is extremely tall, it is indisputably NOT either statistically or in terms of impressions upon the vast majority of people "just another tall person". And it is similarly rare to find people with the strength you spoke about. I will give you a shorthand I long ago figurured out...A lifetime natural lifter with average genetic potential will arrive right around twice as strong as the average man. This in itself is fairly uncommon. But you take someone with near the biggest genetic potential, add unlimited & effective years of PED usage... It has long approached & in some cases reached 5X as strong as the average man. This can be seen by just looking at the numbers, even compensating for the fact that the pros use equipment that adds something, that an average man does not.
Yep, Vitali would have steamrolled right through the fighters Louis struggled with. He would beat Louis as well. Louis only chance is within the first 4 rounds.
