1) Vitali meets multiple definition of giant, even as you quoted a living being of great size & someone unusually large ppwerful. 2) When I said he is not a giant in one of the senses, you seized upon that to deny he is a giant. I said correctly he meets some definitions of it & provided context: it is a straw man to act like I indicated " "legendary" size, or anything like that. 3) Less than 1 in 1000 is rare. I never said it is rare in pro athletes-but it is the rare sport where pros average that tall. It IS a quite small percentage among any cohort of weightlifters. 4) Then you puzzling segued into strength issues. You have been extremely ostentatious in avoidng not only adressing or seemingly checking out any of the natural strength potential references & websites I pointed out... But most glaringly, ignore all references & arguments to the massive effect of PEDs. Drugs. Steroids. Pre-cursor or pro-hormones. Insulin. IGF. Stacking other potentiators. And basically everything I argued. 5) Which I seem to have to tell you again: getting somewhat or way stronger than me (not that I made this my life goal), is the usual WITH these substances. WITHOUT them, & without any physical gear like belts, straps, suits, etc... All reliable sources point to those numbers being close to the genetic limit of someone with around an average height & bone structure. You AVOID that the rough reality, again, is take a genetically average dude. Have him be lifetime clean (includre Creatine, which is taken unlike protein in unnatural/impossible to consume quantities). He can get around twice as strong as an average dude. Take someone with great genetic potential then rug him up to the gills effectively for years. Those folks approach 5 TIMES the average man in strength. 6) I did provide strength standards. Both numbers & names such as Lyle McDonald & Casey Butts, Arragorn is another... You have failed to evaluate these at all. Bottom line is Vitali is very tall by any normal standards. But I grant you (& never denied) he is not that far above average for recent HWs. But the context was considering historical HWs. Some will never get really strong due to genetics & physical conditions-those who take it seriously & suddeed tend to have more potential. BUT what tends to be a bigger factor is PEDs. It is extremely common but uber-artifisical to import a cocktail of drugs-that includes taking up to a few TIMES what any man could ever produce with his own balls. That is why Ronnie Coleman & some others under 6' & at max 5% bodyfat could weight around 300 lbs.! When if they were natural for a lifetime, even with big bones & high genetic potential... At that level of leanness-& not stuffed with food & water-only a very few would reach 220.