Who in the last ten years was stronger than Liston?

Wlad and Lewis probably. Anabolic steroids or similar.

Valuev was just a freak.

 

The difference in size would amount to about two weight classes in Olympic weight lifting and one in Olympic wrestling. And these sports, perhaps the two most reliant on strength as we usually define it, have weight classes because they think size matters.

 

I agree ****ing 100% with that and i agree that guys like listón and foreman would have been total monster on roids.buy we are talking about like they were ,anyway foreman proved that he was not normal,young guys on roids like vander or morrison said that this guy was so strong

 

I think so

 

Good debate of both sides,firt thread that deserves talking seriously . I agree that functional physical strength is not like handling weight like a bodybuildier,curiously i have seen cases where a guy can move more weight than other one in a gym Then the first guy cant beats the second one in an arm wrest .i think that the bodybuilders use his weight and mass to move weight,it is not"real strength"

 

Yeah..... i struggle to believe that

 

Well, that's definitive proof.

Since crude steroids have been around since the 40's and definitely were in the gyms of the 60's and 70's, I am going to consider Liston and Foreman on the juice, too... well, probably.

 

Yes, at the very top level in weightlifting or powerlifting, the man a class or two above is expected to lift more than the man a class or two below.
(That's not entirely true though, because sometimes in powerlifting at the top level, the man who is a class below will lift a greater total than the winner of a higher class.)

AND at a lower level, regional competitions etc., the likelihood of men in lower weight classes out-lifting a man in a higher weight class is far greater and actually very common.

And then boxing isn't even a raw/pure strength sport in that way, so that possibility becames magnified, so it would be quite ridiculous to just automatically assume a boxer weighing 210 pounds would be less strong than a boxer weighing 240 pounds.
If we're stripping it down to those two individuals, there's no good reason to assume anything in that regard.

 

1. No, it's not definitive proof. It's highly possibly, and in my opinion it's very probable. Take it or leave it.

In all honesty, how prevalent to you think steroid/hormone/anablic drug use is in sports ?
And don't you suspect the top guys with million dollar purses would be using them ?

Vitali Klitschko was using steroids back in the amateur days.

2. Liston and Foreman might have been on the juice, yes.
I think steroids were far less prevalent in boxing in Liston's time, and less prevalent in Foreman's time too.
So they benefit more from the doubt than Wlad and Lewis do.

Not that I think there's anything wrong with using steroids.

 

It is very possible.

BUT I've learned to be skeptical of any claims about how much someone can bench press or how fast they can run a mile.
There's way too much bullsh!t out there.

If people are going to cite Wladimir's bench press numbers in an argument as fact, then show us where he did that.
Otherwise it's just a strory, like Jim Jeffries running 15 miles with a deer on his back or something. :yep

 

Haye, Adamek, Holyfield, Jones jr, Toney, Moorer, Byrd and Spinks were able to, why cant Liston?

 

Liston would be 140-147 pounds in this era. He's barely bigger than Ricky Hatton.
Mayweather would school him. The question is whether Pacquiao could beat him.

 

Everyone and their momma is allowed to fight at heavyweight, except heavyweights of the past.

For some reason, they're not allowed to compete at heavyweight of today.

 

It's for their own safety.

 

Yeah Liston better watch out for Chris Arreola and Sam Peter.