Who in the last ten years was stronger than Liston?

Yeah if by "stronger" we're talking about physical strength alone, then I'd say any number of modern day heavyweights would apply. Especially considering the emphasis on strength and conditioning and all that's gone into it over the past few decades, not to mention the size of some of these men. With all due respect to Charles "sonny" Liston, he was a rather large and strong man in his own time... But this isn't 1960.

 

Fury was 10 pounds heavier than what the German said was on the scale.
Wlad wanted to make Fury look smaller, same reason he wore platform shoes during the face off.
But Wlad probably still has similar amounts of lean mass yes.

 

Height and reach isn't size, they merely correlate.

There are plenty of welterweights and lightmiddleweights who are as tall as Brewster with the same reach.

Though those super lanky fighters normally don't get very far.

There's also Kingsley Ikeke who's 6'4 with a 79" reach and he was an ok supermiddleweight at best.

He also has fights at 160

 

this is right

 

No, it's right if we don't have any reason to suspect that Liston was freakishly strong for his size. We assume on size difference all the time. It's the reason why there are weight classes in wrestling and weight lifting. It's the reason that it would be laughable to say that Pac is stronger than Kovalev if there aren't strong evidence of this actually being the case.

If we don't have any good reason to believe otherwise we should suspect that a bigger man is stronger than someone substantially smaller than him. Just as it's right to suspect that Liston was stronger than someone a lot smaller than him, if we don't have any reason to think otherwise.

And here we're not just talking about this one case, but Liston being stronger than every HW fighter in an era where there's been many a lot of bigger fighters than him. What would lead us to believe so?

 

:deal Bottom line.

 

Big isn't strong, strong is strong.

 

I agree.
Firstly, because I don't think we can measure it.
Secondly, because there are freakish strong heavyweights in all eras who probably don't even get ranked - because they lack in other areas !

But I was arguing against a point that I thought was being implied, ie. that all or most of the "ripped, muscular, larger" men would be stronger than him.
If you are saying it is far more likely that some will be, then, yes, I agree.

 

big is one of the factors to be strong, not all but being big is part of this.

 

for example..... i don´t care about as strong is a 147 pounder i know that never ever is beating me in the arm wrest for example, i am not " the strongest guy of the place" but i am good in the strength department, i am 6´1 and my weight is betwenn 206-220 pounds depend of the diet in the moment, and you have to be at least a world champ of arm wrestling weighing 147 pounds if you want to beat me. and i am not foreman or liston....

 

I think that if we have two muscular very well trained men, my guess would be that the bigger guy would be stronger if I didn't know anything that suggested otherwise. And the bigger the size difference, the stronger the assumption.

There will always be room for individual variations, as some people being unusually weak or strong for their size, but I'd like some sort of evidence of that before I factor it into the assumption.

I wouldn't really say anything much more definite than that.

 

save your breath... i've said this before but some will never believe it.

all things being equal, and many times not being very equal, size is a great asset in the ring. sure, if you are just a big uncoordinated, stiff lug, you can get boxed silly, gassed and/or stopped. but if you know how to use your size and employ the game on the merits of that, it is very, very hard for your opponent to overcome this advantage.

 

Well, I think you go a bit too far in assuming that much.
Based on two well trained individuals that I knew nothing else of, one at 212 and the other at 245, I wouldn't bet on either one to be the strongest.
But that's just based on my own experience. From what I've seen.

 

The secret?

A sharp jab

:deal

 

I don't think anybody disagrees with this.