Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

Yes, unthinkable that any of these guys could be over-rated

 

Not for me. It´s not about his losses but about him beeing relative unproven at the very top.

 

I'm going with Dempsey, with Ali also in the mix due to sheer immortality he's granted by the casual boxing public.

 

Really? Hopkins, Toney, a very long stretch of superlative dominance, then as a former 154 going up and beating a legitimate, durable HW contender.

There are certainly worse careers celebrated as being on a par or better than that of Jones.

 

I won´t get through all this again. I posted this like more than dozen times. Look it up. Compare his resume with that with greats he often is compared too. You will realize there is a gap in class.

 

You're a tough man, b. Even after RJ near-blanked Ruiz, to be the first middleweight in 100 years to win the heavyweight crown?

 

Thanks for the response. I rarely see Arguello get knocked much. How limited do you think his skillset is? Or is it possible that he was just a bit limited or not as versatile offensively as some make him out to be (Which doesn't neccessarily reflect just on skills, as it does other factors like athletic ability). Just a thought.

Lewis, was a pretty consistent fighter. Beating many top ranked fighters, more than most HW champions. I think his two KO losses against unworthy opposition in title fights should hit him harder in his legacy than it does for most people's mind. He was a great puncher, and I think he had a good arsenal along with technique for a big man. But you're very right about him being vulnerable to people getting on the inside, and he was notably inadequate with his in-fighting (Somewhat typical of Steward fighters to be frank). Can't disagree too much with the latter. The first example just surprises me a little.

 

Yey actually they would even though he was past his prime when he was kod after, nobody would have been talking about his glass jaw. It makes you think what would have happened if matched against quality fighters who could punch Foster,Spinks etc etc all fighters who were as tall or taller than Tarver better and hit a lot harder. Many would be claiming him to be unbeateable even against the all time greats.

 

If the queen had balls she'd be the king, a.

 

What's your take on Jones, John, compared to other greats you've seen? I'm not talking record here, just how he looked in the ring.

 

JG is about as level-headed as it gets. We should listen to his perspective.

Both sides on Jones have a point. I think his chin suffered from draining. But he was also aging, and already past it anyway. I don't think because of what Tarver did what would Foster or Spinks do. Jones was a different fighter at that stage. Much more special in his prime.

 

So are you trying to say we shouldnt judge Jones on being kod after Ruiz?

 

How the hell could you have possibly come to the conclusion that that's what he was trying to say?

 

Calling Jones a mw is like calling Langford a lw. Just because he was a mw at the beginning does not make him one. He spent the most of his career at lhw. And Ruiz? Ruiz? I often stepped in for that guy but he is probably the most average hw ever. And he was handpicked. Jones had every advantage including a ref that didn´t let Ruiz fight his fight. So, yes. Even after him beating Ruiz I don´t think he is really proven at the very top and he is not up there with the very greatest.

 

Oscar De La Hoya is the most overated boxer ever.