Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

I dont know about Hearns but Leonard did. I saw it at the Leonard-Hearns 1 post fight conference.

 

Any ATG can be truly overrated by the blindness of fanboys.
But indeed, I feel people lacking knowledge often overrate Calzaghe on his undefeated status.

 

Mike Tyson easily,As good as he was when he was young he has never actually beat anyone that was good except spinks to prove he was an ATG.

 

No I pretty much agree with everything you said. I just see enough in Spinks to suggest he was in the upper echelons of fighters. I personally feel the same about Holmes; he was clearly not shot and had a lot still left in him. He seemed to rectify this is the rematch was alas, it was given to Mike.

 

That's how I feel about Leonard vs Duran I. :good

 

How do you know if they never fought a great fighter?

Jofre fought exclusively in Brazil and there is very little video of him fighting. How do you know he had great fighting ability? The best win on his resume is against a shot Saldivar in Brazil.

Many of these old timers are vastly overrated and are held to different, lower standards than modern boxers.

 

Unbelievable.

 

Fair enough, but Duran vs LEonard was much closer to a prime vs prime kind of fight with both men in good form at the weight in question, than Spinks vs Holmes was.Leonard looked really, really good in losing against Duran...Holmes not so much.

 

I disagree. I think the best win on his resumé is probaby the two stoppage wins over José Medel, due to the respective periods in there careers of which he fought Medel and Saldivar.

How do I know? Because I've watched him. There's plenty of rounds from the Medel & Harada fights. Technically he was very good, watch round 7 of Harada II and the uppercut he finds on the inside from a ridiculous angle. Watch Medel I and the way he mixes up from head to body, left hooks, right hands over the top, then he'll go down with an inch-perfect left to the body, come upstairs with an uppercut.

He had a great body attack that would ware his opponent down, he was strong on the inside and could back his opponent up with physical strength, he was durable - again Medel I; watch the end of round 9 and the two flush left-hooks he takes ands he's still standing. He also had power in either hand, and great hand-speed. Fast, sharp, crisp, accurate punching that would take it's toll on his opponent.

And last of all, I am not getting into the old-timers v modern era discussion again. It's ridiculous and people don't seem to understand the whole point and relevance of it. Jofre's style wasn't exactly out-dated anyway. He had the same orthodox stance that we have today, and his punches were textbook. He'd clear out today's bantamweight scene no doubt.

 

Jack Johnson by a landslide.

 

Not sure if I agree with Bill's #9 rating of Lewis. But, I will say that the man doesn't need to list his top 10 to justify his claim that Lennox isn't #1.

 

Fitzsimmons - Ive been into this, but a 167lb man overcoming a 16lb weight disadvantage isnt that big a deal.

Henry Armstrong - because some rate him over Robinson, no chance, plus fighters from his own weight range who beat him Duran/Whitaker/Mayweather are rated below him on everyones list

Greb - because he gets rated over robinson on here, seems a great fighter but he cant be seen for 1 and no one ever looks at the primeness of his opposition, where I believe many of his opponents to be pre/past prime or the fact it was a somewhat primitive era

Barney Ross - because he wasnt as good as you all thing

Jim Jeffries - 6'2 super Heavyweight with zero skill who picked on middleweights and avoided Jack Johnson until he eventually grew some balls and got his ass kicked, enough said

Dempsey - terrible resume, resume wise doesn't deserve to be top10 on anyones list but some put him in the top3, perplexing

Monzon - because he wasnt that good and neither was his competition, which consisted of ATG Midgets and journeymen

Jofre

Most Pre 1940s fighters - they werent nearly as good as their 40s onwards counterparts

 

I agree with Dempsey. The other's are terrible choices. Especially Monzon, Greb, Armstrong and Ross.