Who In Your Opinion Is The Most Overrated ATG?

I owned that guy to such a degree he took a hiatus:deal

 

Ali- I am sure has already been mentioned here.

The goat, by who?

His true losses were 10 in number if it had not been for Kings buying the judges in alot of his "fights". Dont need to go into details as its been covered enough here and I dont need to go over past ground with alot of American nut huggers and the rest brain washed observers.

He ended his career like a veggie unable to even be a normal human being, while his career was like a luck luck case of decisions he should not have got at times. No where near dominant in any of his eras and nowhere anything other than another HW champ manufactured by Don King who still owns the division and most of your brains.

 

Bull****.

 

Ali is overrated by a lot of people..... still ****ing good though.

#1 HW.

 

I forgot Joe Louis - the number 1 HW of all time shouldnt get outboxed for 13rounds by a SMW. He shouldnt arguably be losing decisions to Godoy, Farr, Walcott and get the **** beat out of him by a past LHW in Schmelling. I sound like Mendoza

Louis is great just not the no1 HW of all time

 

He is the no.2 of all time. The man was a beast; footage backs this up.

The Schmeling loss was a bit dodgy but competitive, and he hadn't trained. To back this up, just look at the rematch.

There were some shitty opponents in his 'Bum of the Month' tour but he defended his titles regularly, and Billy Conn was a damn fine opponent. So what if he struggled? he pulled it out.

Your points on his later losses are redundant; he settled the score with Walcott (and from the footage I've seen of the first fight neither man really has the upper hand) and proved his immense toughness in the bout with Marciano.

And lets not forget he was years into his career, at all-time weight levels, out of shape and fighting to pay of massive tax bills.

At his best I'd say Louis beats Marciano and there are few I'd pick to destroy him (Kid Dynamite, Prime Foreman)

 

how old are you and where are you from first up?

 

I'm old enough. I just think you're being overtly critical there.

Foreman was about as destructive a force there has ever been, wiping out Frazier and Norton. Ali beat him.

Liston was an intimidating force with a fantastic jab, immense toughness and hit like a sledgehammer. A young, relatively untested Ali boxed his head off, and dominated all in front of them.

He slipped a bit after his hatus, but showed enough. The best Heavyweight of all time for me, and anywhere between 10-15 on a top 10 P4P list is just IMO.

 

He did not loose a decision to either Farr or Godoy.

They were close fights but clear cut.

 

I don't think Leonard looked "really, really good" in Montreal. Physically he was the best he could have been, and was certainly at his peak in my jugdment, but he wasn't allowed to look good because Duran was smothering him, landing shots for the better part of 15 rounds. I was actually just trying to make a point. If anything, we all under appreciate what Spinks achieved in moving up to the Heavyweight division and handing Larry Holmes his first defeat.

Michael Spinks was not a great Heavyweight, and like Holmes, was not at his peak at the time of their first fight. Therefore, arguing that Spinks beat a past it Holmes is void because they were both past their best, but at least Holmes was operating at his most effective weight. Michael didn't go out there and steal a decision, he went out and took it to the much bigger man and befuddled Holmes with his combination's and relentless, educated pressure. It was a fantastic performance, not one to be played down.

I can agree on the part about Spinks not "dominating" one of the best LHW era's of all time. Lopez was at the end of his feather, Johnson had already been in his wars with Saad, and there were no Conteh and Saad on his resume. That said, he did dominate a good LHW era, and I really don't see how we can downplay his achievement of moving up and beating Larry Holmes. It was marvelous.

 

Let's not forget what Louis destroyed a lot of his opposition. And was also a consistent World champion, most number of defences (although some were dubious, and personally I believe the Galento kd was not much at all, when you fight often you may slip up) but for a Heavyweight to span a couple of generations and still mix it with the best (although Walcott, veteran Charles and Marciano isn't the best Heavyweight division I've ever seen to be perfectly honest, still good though, and all fighters had some damn fine attributes) warrants a high ranking.

Holmes and Foreman did this to a degree as well. Ali mixed in two good generations, the 2nd part of his career playing out in the greatest Heavyweight division ever seen.

I have Ali at 1, Louis at 2. Louis a lock for the top 20 all-time IMO, and I don't believe that's overrating him.

80-odd years on he probably still has the best punching form ever witnessed.

 

Walcott you can make the case.

With Farr and Godoy it would be a bit of a stretch.

 

liston was paid off to lose both fights to ali, he was not the brightest and took the cash on the table.

 

The Qawi win was good too:good

He's not at fault for missing Conteh and Saad, personally I think Miracle Matthew would struggle to pull one out of the bag against Spinks. Conteh; depends which version we're pitting against Spinks, I'd favour Spinks to come on strong late to be honest, though I'm not sure whether Conteh could be hurt at his peak because he was probably pissing his punch resistance up the wall from his peak to the end. I'd favour Spinks as I said.