Who is a greater pugilist Mosley,Oscar or Tito

Against a superior boxer like De La Hoya, then yes.

But it wasn't like Trinidad had limited skills and was just a pure slugger.

 

The thread said NO market value?
With DLH, I just don't get itatsch

.........he beat Vargas (after Tito detonated him)
.........he beat Ike Quartey (very good win)

What other memorable moment of DLH do we have? EVERY other "big fight" he was in was some "excuse"

Tito - my trainer made me stop fighting:rofl
Hopkins - very suspect liver shot, not saying it didn't happen, but definitely didn't appear he went out on his shield.
Mayweather - picked a "smaller" guy and couldn't impose his will on em. excuses were that he stopped jabbing after 6 rounds....6 ROUNDS peopleatsch

 

I don't think that either. I just think had Mosley fought him he wouldn't have been dumb enough to go toe to toe either.

 

I don't even think he beat Quartey. I think he won the Trinidad fight narrowly and drew with Whitaker.

De La Hoya had solid wins over guys like Hernandez, Ruelas, Gonzalez, Molina, Rivera, Chavez, etc...

Yeah a lot of them were smaller and past their primes, but let's not act like Mosley's opposition at 135 was something special. Or Trinidad for most of 147. Besides Carr and Campas, most of his opposition was weak pre-1999.

 

Oscar never gave an excuse against Floyd. He said his jab didn't fail him, he failed his jab. Then he said he had to think about fighting the young champs before he resumes fighting. Oscar was very honest about that fight. Smaller guy is no excuse when floyd happens to be the best boxer on the planet with the best defence in recent history with pin point accuracy and timing.

 

GREAT point champ, but even these 2 guys Oscar fought YEARS after Tito took their "0" in the lost column.

I'm not bashing Oscar, he's a great fighter, but deceiving at the same time, and excuses or not he's 0-3 against the people he's being compared to in this thread.....

 

Mosley may have tried to box him, but I don't think he had the ability to box Trinidad as successfully as DLH did for the majority of the fight, and Hopkins did.

Mosley had marvelous physical gifts, and it's not like he lacks skills either, but I think his physical gifts in large part masked (or made people forget about) some of his flaws. He pawed very often with his jab. He winged a lot of shots that left him open down the middle. DLH had nice parrying skills and a more solid all around skill set than Mosley, IMO. Hopkins, well, he's just a mastermind in there.

They never fought so it'll never be known, but I'm just not sure if Mosley had the ability to box Trinidad successfully like some others did. He doesn't really seem like that type of fighter, he's more of a speedy slugger.

 

tough post to answer.

mosley's got fast hands but lacks footwork, tito's always been outboxed by technically better fighters, oscar's got the high profile on his side and the fact that big fights come to him and so his resume will always beat both the other's combined.

i'll take the easy option and say that, because all three were 'flawed', they are simply hall of famers who will never be remembered as great fighters.

 

Is that an excuse, or just a (non) explanation?

"It wasn't the night of the jab".

:huh

DLH did later try to blame it on injuries though.

You left out the "bad oysters" excuse.

 

If not these three in their close weight classes, then who were the ATG's of that generation?

 

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nope trinidad power smarts and no steroids. not to mention beating odh

 

I think Mosley had more raw talent than either of them, and I rate him very highly head to head, but his resume doesn't reflect this, and I don't think it's quite as good as Tito's or Hoya's. I think he could have accomplished much more, he was just unlucky enough to have his career seriously derailed twice.

 

felix doesn't have smarts.

he's ahead hunter like tszyu was and fell into that trap because it worked on lesser opponents.

 

No he wasn't. Trinidad was a very good body puncher who stopped, dropped, or hurt numerous guys to the body.

Tszyu was a good boxer who could go to the body effectively too.