Who is better is H2H matchups with the best HW's ever... Vitali or Wlad

Looking up compubox stats isn't watching the fight.

The fight shows Wlad cowering, grappling, bear hugging, groping, and running away with his hands around his head. It also shows him hitting the deck 3 times. It has Harlod Ledderman screaming for him to be disqualified for blatant and consistent infraction of the rules.
He couldn't box a lick against Peter , a guy who could not even box himself.
You are disagreeing with reality. My argument is based on iron clad irrefutable facts.
You couldn't be anymore wrong. I suggest you watch the fight instead of looking up box rec.

 

I did watch the fight all the way through. The compubox stats help my argument and prove my point. Compubox is a fact not an opinion.

Point out the times where Wlad is cowering, grappling, bear hugging, groping, and running away. Give me rd numbers. Give me the rd where Ledderman is screaming for him to be dq'd.

The scorecards say otherwise. If your argument was based upon facts then you would be able to point out obvious points in the fight.

I just told you to watch the fight now you're telling me the same thing. One of us hasn't seen the fight entirely and ik 100% it isn't me.

 

Vitali's performance against Peters compared to Wlads was night and day. You have the two brothers mixed up in your head.
Vitali controlled Peter with his fists , Wlad ran and held for pretty much 80% of the whole 12 rounds. I already pointed out the fight for you to go watch and you still haven't done it.

Even the rematch was a pitiful cheat fest with Wlado totally unable to defeat Peter as cleanly and easily as his brother. And Peter was shot to pieces to add insult to injury.

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/

 

Oh, now I see where you are confused about why I think Wlad would do better than Vitali. It is simple, I am not using the Peter fight as the only gauge!

You pointed out which fight for me to watch to see that Wlad clinched and ran from Peter? Lol well I'm not going to go watch Ali-Frazier 1 in hopes that I will see Wlad vs Peter 1.

Wlad and Vitali fight different from each other. Your confusion is that they have the same exact style.

Do you realize that article is about Wlad vs Peter 2? Haha you aren't tricking anybody. We're talking about Wlad vs Peter 1.

Going by the way you make it sound, Peter was being extremely aggressive and throwing tons of punches in both fights but Wlad's "unecessary" clinching stopped that. Is that how you see it?

Now if you don't mind, I would like you to post the rds/times that Wlad is unnecessarily clinching in the first fight between him and Peter.

Here's the fight just so we're on the same page.

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Vitali

 

I see your logic, and I can see why this is the majority opinion, but I have my doubts.

Vitally's win over top five opponents are relatively few and far between compared to Wlad's.
Of course that doesn’t necessarily mean that Wlad was better head to head, but perhaps Wlad's superior firepower was the reason for his sustained success.

Perhaps the people who argued that Wlad was the greater talent were ultimately onto something.

 

I go through phases.

For me Wlad is undoubtedly the more proven fighter. He's beaten better men for a longer period of time.

But I can't shake the feeling that is Vitali didn't retire he wouldn't have dominated the division in the same way.

However something occured to me this morning, I'm happy assuming Vitali would replicate Wlad's wins but I never make assumptions about Wlad himself.

For instance what if I was to assume Wlad would be a favourite of he rematched Purritty and Sanders instead of Vitali. What if I was to assume Wlad does have some infighting skills but not as much as his clinching skills. Those are much smaller assumptions than those I have to make to rank Vitali higher.

Vitali has always been allowed assumptions because he didn't prove it in his career, but Wlad is never allowed assumptions because he did prove it.

Realistically it's a foregone conclusion he'd beat Purritty in a rematch. Had it been a ten rounder we wouldn't even be discussing the fight.

A rematch with Sanders requires him to be more safety cautious which we all know he can do. If he doesn't present an opening in the first two rounds he'll definitely outlast Sanders. 50/50 at that stage of his career.

But what if his clinching was limited, he's quick enough to be able to step out of range and reset, he's hard enough hitting that any shots he does land inside will hurt.

I think I'm more willing to assume Wlad is one of the best in history and better than Vitali. All talk about it being a weak era is nonsense imo, he fought everyone he could and he beat them all. At age 39 he came unstuck bit for those 9.5 years he was amongst the best we've ever had.

I mean what's a more reasonable assumption, that Wlad could rematch two opponents or that Vitali could beat everyone Wlad beat? The more I think about the more I'm going with the former. Vitali is the least proven great but I can say he's probably two big for a lot of those who came before him, Wlad proved his greatness though and should be seen as the superior fighter for me.

At age 41 he stood toe to toe with Joshua and almost ended the fight. At age 31 he might well have done so. This fight, for me finally answered the question about how I see Wlad against a power punching monster, it's a question he never answered in his prime but he answered it last night. He went to war and almost won. In his prime I've no doubt he would have won.

He's probably amongst the best 5 HW fighters to ever walk the planet.

 

As I say - it's a perfectly reasonable position to take.

Wlad has qualities one could deem as more suitable for such a challenge - firepower being one - if the underlying belief were that firepower alone would get the job done, more times than not.

I don't necessarily subscribe to that idea but wouldn't say it was wrong to believe so, either.

 

I still think Vitali in his 40s was better. He still didn't show much vulnerability except to injuries.