Who is G.O.AT of MMA?

As much as I love kickboxing, we have seen time and time again that being a successful kickboxer does not make you untouchable in MMA, including with Cro Cop himself who got sent to the shadow realm multiple times by guys that werent even all that good at striking even by MMA standards. Ngannou and Gane came up at a time where K1 was a shell of its former self, and MMA was far bigger than kickboxing with far more money in it. Why would anyone coming up in the 2010s want to be a top kickboxer rather than a top UFC guy, even if they had the ability?

Not sure why you're acting like Cro Cop was some technical marvel either, he was a good athlete with a left hand and a left high kick, he was actually fairly basic as far as kickboxers go. Gane is clearly much more technical and diverse in his offence, he is also bigger, an equal or better athlete and has a much better chin, you will not be seeing him getting one shotted by 5'9 wrestlers with SEG UFC era striking anytime soon.

No, the UFC champions didnt magically get old. Your list of UFC champs includes Mir 9 years after he was champ, Coleman and Randleman in 2004-2006 when they had been champs in the 90s, and Big Tim who had lost his belt to a 44 year old and had lost 2 of his previous 3. Its not exactly the same as Cro Cop bombing hard in the UFC less than a year after probably his biggest accomplishment in MMA ie winning the Pride openweight GP.

Again, look at the W/L records of Jones and Fedors opponents, combined with the fact that Jones's opponents were building those records in the 00s/10s when the overall skill level was significantly higher. Jones beat much more complete fighters with much more accomplished careers, who rank much higher historically.

And yes, Jones is a cheat, but again, look where Fedor dominated and how suspiciously quickly his career nosedived. Not getting caught does not mean not using.

 

Nope because it was blatant(as clear video evidence proves) and it's obviously what set the KO up. He wasn't losing "badly" that's hyperbolic nonsense. It was a competitive fight in which he was slightly behind in, he adapted and closed the show in the 4th round.. It wasn't this dramatic "come from behind" hail mary win. I'm glad Stipe landed some eye pokes in that fight intentional or not, pay back for DC's usage of them throughout the trilogy. So yeah 2/3 he takes the trilogy and there's an asterisk next to his lone defeat in their series of fights. DC fanboys are really delusional trying to argue his case for being the GOAT.

 

I will also remind that the UFC rules are crappier and favour BJJ. So Fedor not only fought fairly against greater opposition than the UFC's golden rule breaker roided chicken Jones, but also did it under hardcore rules. His chin faded after 17 years of MMA after he was in his 40s.

Gane - a superior fighter than the MMA and K-1 legend Mirko?!

 

Correct and Cro Cop came through the K1 golden era as a top striker. Those two are not on his level as a striker.

Call me when Gane has wins over a series of kickboxing legends like Cro Cop has. Your opinion is just that, opinion.

Call me when he's had more than 26 fights and he's not been stiffed. Mirko had 86 fights.

You realise that Fedor was older than him right? And that the UFC champs had to come to him because Dana would never let them fight Fedor outside the UFC while under contract?

It's easy to stack up wins in a weaker era. It's easy to beat old, washed out dudes when you are fresh and brimming with PEDs like JJ.

Fedor "Tubby" Emelianenko does not have the body of a roids abuser.

 

I've seen this narrative plenty of times before. This is one of those guys who thinks Pride were all hacks and the UFC always had the best fighters in the world. I was writing up something similar about his downplaying of Cro Cops abilities, but got caught with doing some stuff and abandoned it. More or less sums up my thoughts.

 

It used to be Fedor, now it's probably Jon Jones.

 

230 total strikes at a 69% connect rate vs 135 at 53%. Outlanded on both the feet and ground. DC with over twice the amount of ground control time. 37 to 7 strikes in the first round, 56 to 46 in the second, 57 to 34 in the third.

Yes very competitive.

 

Its the other way round. People overrate Pride because they think it makes them sound like a more knowledgeable fan since it was obscure and "exotic".

Btw, I actually LOVED Pride, and I didnt even say what you're claiming I said. AT THE TIME yes Pride overall was better, the HW division and LHW were definitely better. But i'm not talking about Pride vs late 90s-mid 00s UFC, i'm talking Fedors opposition vs Jon Jones's opposition.

 

LHW was at its peak when Jon was dominating it. It was a ****ing shark tank. Lol @ "weaker era".

You're talking about old washed out dudes when Fedors 3rd or 4th best win is over a guy who got knocked out in 10 seconds by a much smaller 48 year old boxer in his next fight, and who had lost to a much smaller 44 year old a couple of fights before. 40 something Coleman is probably not far outside of his top 5 wins either. Who did Jones beat who was THAT washed out? I mean Jones is getting **** for fighting 40 year old Stipe, who in reality even now probably beats most of Fedors wins.

 

It's a 5 round fight. Cormier took the first 2 rounds and had some dominant moments, but Stipe starting coming on in 3rd which he won, and closed the show in the next round. So yeah.... It was a lot more competitive than you're making out to be.

 

It’s GSP

 

Randy Couture

 

There is a new GOAT every several years in MMA

 

What makes Fedor special is that he was a small heavyweight beating up naturally larger prime fighters, while Jones was a heavyweight fighting at Lightheavy weight beating up washed up smaller Middleweights and lightheavies. Jones was the bigger man beating up smaller guys most of his career.

 

Fedor deserves credit for being a small HW but most of his best wins were over guys who werent exactly huge HWs either.

Jones did almost always have the physical advantages at LHW. But the guy is having success at HW now too, and his best wins are over a guy who most likely could have dominated HW if not for his buddy Cain.