who is greater, Bernard Hopkins or Joe Calzaghe?

Yeah....Joe has a resume thats better than Hopkins. Dream on nutthugger.

 

Hopkins never beat anyone on Calzaghe's level.
Calzaghe beat Hopkins.

Case closed. Yes, both fighters were old and nearing retirement - Joe being closer to retirement than Hopkins. But both fighters had also achieved some of their best wins in the 24 months before their fight and in Hopkins case, 12 months after.

 

Ottke I agree would have been a good win.
But with Beyer, it would have been a world class win, and Beyer was better than his record suggests, he sometimes had strange off nights, but Beyer was being KOd by Catley and outpointed by Sanavia.
With the common opponents that Calzaghe, Ottke and Beyer fought Calzaghe did tend to do alot better than the other 2, and although I think it would have been good if they fought him, I dont think it has tarnished much as alot of people come on here and totally discredit Ottke & Beyer. Calzaghe still managed to win all the SMW World titles by beating undefeated champs Lacy & Kessler, who were both better known more exciting fighters.

Toney was fighting at CW before Calzaghe even became SMW champ.

I know Hopkins was underdog for Tito & Pavlik but who else?
But that says something as Hopkins debuted as a LHW and he was made underdog to any of the 4 fighters you mentioned. Although they were good fighters Tito was a ww, DLH debuted as SFW. Your right it says it all

 

It is very telling, isn't it?

 

I don't think anyone is giving Hopkins credit for wins vs those guys, but they do constitute part of his resume. Its indicative of a level of opposition. I have no love for Bernard Hopkins. I don't care where he places in comparison to Joe Calzaghe. I just think people should at least try to be objective.

 

This isn't a hard question to answer, it only takes a shred of objectivity. Just look at the resumes:

Mercado, De La Hoya, Aquino, Wright, Johnson, Tarver, Joppy, Eastman, Pavlik, Holmes and Trinidad is better than Eubank, Woodhall, Lacy, Kessler, Reid, Brewer and Hopkins.


I'm not including Jones on either mans resumes, because frankly, prime Roy beats both of these guys with ease.

 

hopkins

 

hopkins entire career is smoke and mirrors swallowed by a gullable, brainwashed, american public.

he feasted on lighter men then got his ass kicked by the best fighters he fought at his own weight (taylor twice, jones, calzaghe).

 

....yet you have bought hook, line and sinker, into a guy who said these things.........

Talk about brainwashed and gullible.

Anyone have anything to say about these quotes???

 

I agree its an awful thing for a fighter to say, if its true. Id imagine it was said some time back, because I remember Calzaghe saying years ago that he had no interest in being recognised in America or fighting over there. He had no interest in his legacy earlier in his career it seems, but that changed later, and he did go to America to beat the #1 LHW in the world, then defend against a top 10 fighter.

But whats wrong in wanting to make money without having to push yourself, its something Hopkins did by pulling out of fighting Calzaghe and then fighting for less than half what he would have got by fighting Joe in his very next fight, and by fighting many naturally smaller fighters.

Remember Jones was fighting at HW before Calzaghe beat B Mitchell, so would he have been paid the price of what the fight was worth?
Remember Joe was fighting at SMW and hes being criticised for not fighting a fighter in the division above when he hadnt taken care of business in his own division. The B Mitchell fight was a long time back and Jones didnt look too good in his first two fights back at LHW.

Remember when the fight was offered to Jones he also out priced himself by asking for 10 mil (not sure if thats £ or $) so he was also guilty of asking for the crown jewels as well. Calzaghe was high risk low reward for Roy and Jones was a fight where Calzaghe wanted to be well paid for leaving his division he was ruling to fight at a new weight he hadnt fought before and possibly risk losing his SMW belt which was assisting his earning power.

Remember when Jones was ruling the LHW division, Hopkins who lost to Jones wouldnt fight Jones again to gain revenge unless he was getting a 50/50 split when Hopkins lost to Jones and didnt want to challenge himself unless he got the crown jewels. Jones could have made more money leaving America and fighting Michalczewski in Germany where Dariusz was a massive draw, and not even the crown jewels could tempt him.

Remember Boxing is a business as much as anything, to make money but to also make stands when you feel your not getting your full worth, if it wasnt Maywheather and Pacquiao would have fought, with the amount of money on the table

 

You're making excuses for Calzaghe's asinine comments,but the truth is,he said(or wrote) them.If Jones had moved up to heavyweight before Calzaghe fought Mitchell,just when was Jones offered 10 million to fight Calzaghe?And why is Calzaghe on record saying it would take the crown jewels to get him in the ring with Jones,not being confident about facing Jones while realizing his own limitations?Do you have any PROOF of Jones turning down such an offer,and by whom,and where the fight was to have taken place,and what weight was it to have taken place at?And why should Jones have left the USA to fight Michalczewski,when it was beyond obvious that Darius was just as unwilling to leave Germany as Jones was to leave the US?You're just getting off the point of my raising Calzaghe's quotes,which was to demonstrate Calzaghe's true nature,and what was going on in his mind while he was busy opening up his very lying mouth.And most importantly,what does any of this have to do with Calzaghe proving what an ******* he is whenever he opens his mouth as proved by his countless on the record,but truthful of his ******* NATURE,quotes?Although don't the Lennox Lewis being a disgrace because he was knocked down a few times as well as Cal saying he's the greatest British fighter ever because he's undefeated comments(although both off the record) prove that he's still just a ****ing *******?Just curious.And if I were to meet calzaghe,I would just ask him,"Joe,just why did you say on at least 2 on the record occasions that Jones was shot and that you'd never fight him due to his his being shot,but then sign to fight him after he beat a more shot than himself former welterweight Trinidad and insist that Jones was still great?"Quite a simple question.I just wonder what lying Joe's response would be.

 

Wow man, you seem to genuinely hate the guy.

 

They're about the same. Hopkins spent most of his career in a weak middleweight division, then preyed on welterweight 'names'. Calzaghe spent most of his career in a similarly weak supermiddleweight division, but had no 'names' to feast on. There are numerous articles on t'internet proving he was chasing big fights, so all this 'he ducked challenges' is nonsense.

 

This is an easy one. Open your eyes people. B Hop has had over 20 title defenses. Nuff said. Now everybody is passing the belts like hot potatoes. Taylor to Pavlik, Pavlik to Martinez. Bernard to Me