Who is greater? George Foreman or Mike Tyson

So, what would you class as great inside ability? Serious question.

 

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Roberto Duran in Montreal. Done.

 

Don't be a dick. List the qualities you think a great infighter needs to possess. I'm interested in why Tyson doesn't fit your criteria.

 

An infighter should have sustained, consistent, effective pressure, not diving in and getting tied up 9 times out of 10.

 

Tyson wasn't all that bad in the inside.


Here below you see him hitting Bruno with good shots in the inside and most of those shots were the reason he stopped Bruno.


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I admit that in the first fight with Bruno that he stopped him mid range but he gets some good inside shots to Ruddock in both wars he had with him. Start at 2:07 and watch it through. Again you see that mainly Tyson's inside work is what caused another stoppage.


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Now in the rematch you see Tyson doing well in the inside and eventually decking Ruddock with an overhand right. Start at :30 and end at 1:45 to see inside work. Then again at 2:50-3:16. Another time he goes inside between 6:16 through 6:42. Ruddock could fight and defend good in the inside even though he was a big man and I think the size disparity made it harder for Tyson to get in as many bodyshots as he wanted.



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Against a much lesser opponent in Gross, he again shows inside work starting at 4:10 though the punch that finished Gross was a left hook at mid range. Sometimes he throws a few punches at mid range but most are from inside.


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I think another example is when he fought Jesse Ferguson but I don't feel like watching the whole fight right now to pick out spots where he fought inside. My point being is that Tyson did well in the inside when he wanted. He wasn't out of his element at all in close.

 

An inside fighter can still fight in clinches or very in close and Tyson could do both it's just that he didn't do that often. I don't consider him an inside fighter but he could fight inside as my last post demonstrates.

 

A lot of that was because of how bad Holy had looked. It was only going to take Tyson connecting to get rid of Holyfield was the general consensus. Personally I knew Holy would be competitive but I didn't think he had enough left to win.

 

You're crossing over into the territory of a swarmer.
So, you would say that the ability to KO guys ad generally effectively do damage at close range doesn't make someone an infighter? Because your assertion seems to imply a long fight, rather than an early finish.

 

This is true, combatesdeboxeo enjoys spinning moronic lies.

Tyson only started weightlifting post-prison.

 

And what is a swarmer? A fighter who does his work inside, crowding the other fighter.

 

Although there is often a crossover, the terms swarmer and infighter are not synonymous to each other.

But, I notice now you are trying to use the word 'infighting' literally to mean 'inside, crowding the other fighter'. Under this logic, Tyson - who scored almost all of his knockouts at close range, or 'inside', is an infighter.

I don't see where you're going with this. Your definition of an infighter simply fails to take acount of KO punchers.

 

Really? Who knew...

 

No it doesn't. It's just that the majority of Mike's KO wins didn't come from 'inside'. For a man with short arms, and awesome power, that suggests he wasn't a 'great inside fighter'.

 

Theres a lot of fights. If Tyson didnt have great inside fighting ability, he wouldnt have been one of the best finishers ever.