Who is greater? George Foreman or Mike Tyson

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  1. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    in the great words of Combatese, "This has not matter." Quite irrelevent, to say the least. Let's take a look at their RING rated Top 10 wins. I believe someone posted earlier that Foreman went 7-5 against rated opponents, where Tyson had something like 18 or 19. Tyson has defeated 10 heavyweight champions.

    Best wins.
    Years as champion.
    Quality of opposition.
    Record of opponents.

    Some say Tyson was boxing's savior in the 80's. The world revolved around him then AND post prison. Some fans are Tyson-lovers and others are haters. EVERYONE is a Tyson watcher.
     
  2. RoosterC

    RoosterC Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tyson has the worst record against top10 opponents than anyone considered great. Tyson never beat a great fighter in his life, he is not even a top 25 ATG heavy.
     
  3. Hank

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    Foreman's comeback and winning of partial title led to his being popular now. Tyson was the better of the two. Some think of Tyson as Joe Frazier type, which he is not in any way. So they think match between Tyson and Foreman would be same as one between Frazier and Foreman. Tyson may have hit as hard as Foreman, with way more hand speed, coordination, foot speed, overall movement, and stamina.
     
  4. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Right once again:patsch

    That's why he has more than Foreman.
     
  5. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    he was complete as far as getting hurt and going the distance, but in his second career he had 3 title fights and lost 2 of them. He lost to limited Tommy Morrison and smaller Holyfield, and only stopped weak chinned Michael Moorer to win the title. Not exactly a great career. His second career was not great.. A lot of people want to make his second career seem great, the guys he lost to especially Morrison show he was limited.
     
  6. MAG1965

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    Larry Holmes only 2 years after the Spinks rematch and beating Spinks in one round. And cleaning up a division of guys like Bonecrusher and Pinklon Thomas and Tony Tucker and Biggs. Tubbs. etc etc. The guy was not that bad and beat up guys who normally did well with anyone. The only guy Tyson didn't fight in his prime in the late 80's was Witherspoon, who I think had a chance against him.
     
  7. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    As good a chance as Pinklon Thomas!!!:hey
     
  8. MAG1965

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    Witherspoon was better than Pinklon and his size and punching power made him a tough fight for Tyson. Tim in good shape would have been tough for Tyson and for a young Foreman. I always thought Witherspoon had the skills to be much better than he did, but he was undisciplined like many 1980's heavyweights and really like many heavyweights.
     
  9. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Take a look at their common opponents and do a comparison.

    Holmes
    Smith
    Tubbs
    Bruno
    Tillis
    Thomas
    C Williams
     
  10. MAG1965

    MAG1965 Loyal Member banned

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    and who do you think comes out better? Those fights were several years before the other owns, and no one says Mike was not a bigger puncher than Tim. Tim fought a more prime Larry and some say should have won. The Smith fight he won the first and lost in an odd fight which was controversial. Bruno really was more prime with Tim and Tim still knocked him out. Thomas? Again more prime. But regardless, it proves my point that Mike was dominant in the 1980s. Tim did not go for the knockout like Mike did, but there is no way that Witherspoon would have been moved back much by Mike. Tim Witherspoons right hand landing on Mike would not be great for Mike.
     
  11. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    Who's to say Witherspoon fought the better versions? Because he fought them first? I don't think anything Mike lands on Witherspoon would be great for Tim.

    Witherspoon
    Holmes L SD 12
    Smith W UD 12
    Smith L KO 1
    Bruno W KO 11
    Tubbs W MD 15
    Tillis W KO 1
    Thomas L MD 12
    C Williams W SD 12

    Terrible Tim 5-3

    Tyson
    Holmes W KO 4
    Smith W UD 12
    Bruno W KO 5
    Bruno W KO 3
    Tubbs W KO 2
    Tillis W UD 10
    Thomas W KO 6
    C Williams W KO 1

    Iron Mike 8-0



    Is that better?
     
  12. MAG1965

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    It is different. Tim did fight Thomas when Thomas was more prime, and I remember that fight. Tim's weakness was being hot and cold and in that fight I remember he was asking in between rounds if the fight was good, being insecure about being champion. My theories about Tim beating Mike were just stylistic. I could see it in my mind. Tim had a good chin regardless of the Smith debacle where he was caught cold. Tim had a sledge hammer right hand. Mike would not back him up like he did other guys I am sure of that, and Tim would land his right hand which was more accurate than all the guys you mentioned except for Holmes. I can just see Tim landing his looping right and Mike swaying after it lands and being hurt. Holmes had a good right and quick, but not as hard as Tim's right. Holmes was older when Mike fought him also, and Larry's right was not looping and as hard as Tims as I said. Tim had a looping solid right hand which I think could have stopped Mike and taken out of his gameplan. It was just a feeling in my mind that Tim would have beaten Mike. Tim was bigger than Mike and could take his punch and had that looping right. Certain things all the other guys together did not have. And Tim was a better fighter than Buster Douglas.
     
  13. lefthook31

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    Complete?
     
  14. manbearpig

    manbearpig A Scottish Noob Full Member

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    Foreman was never complete at any part of his career. He was far more limited during his comeback.
     
  15. lefthook31

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    right