Who is greater Joe Joyce or Deontay Wilder

Deontay Wilder

Joyce beat Parker and made Dubious quit but Wilder had a longer run of good wins plus 2 Ortiz Kos and 2 valiant efforts vs Fury which mean something

 

I didn't quote about Chisora
It was in response to, about Byrd and Ruiz

 

Wilder has like 10 defences will Joyce never won a belt, stupid question

 

Winning a belt isn't exactly a measure, especially if you didn't beat the champion to win it. Ezzard Charles is the greatest LHW of all time and he wasn't even a champion. I still think Wilder is "greater" than Joyce, but that's not a good argument.

 

Undefeated Ortiz would have beaten both.

Pre-prime, non-Don King protected Ruiz lost to Kobozev, Nicholson and Tua in 19 seconds, so I seriously doubt he gets to 39-0.

 

"Winning a belt isn't exactly a measure, especially if you didn't beat the champion to win it."

It is a measure. Not the only one but certainly an important one. And defending it 10 times is something very few have done. Peter was a WBC titlist who beat WBC titlist Maskaev (who won it from KO'ing Rahman for a 2nd time) but he wouldn't have beaten Stiverne 1, let alone made another 10 defences, including two wins over Ortiz and a controversial draw with Fury. Even Duhaupas (outboxed Charr, KO'd 22-0 Helenius in 6, super tough) would have had a great chance of beating WBC champion Peter.

 

To me beating a paper title holder and not winning a proper championship isn't a big feat. Especially when you're defending your paper belt against second and third tier boxers. Wilder only has 2 successful defenses against a Top 10 guys and one against a lineal champion which was a controversial draw he should have lost. Just because he had a belt, doesn't make that run anything special.

 

Great shouldn't be beside either of their names..........................with that being said, Wilder.

 

Dubious wasnt Dubious when he fought Joyce

Its like saying someone dating Megan Fox when she was in high school

Wilder wouldve crushed hat version of Dubious too

 

Especially when today, there's 4 freaking belts to go after for the most part. That's like saying Charles Martin is greater than every HW to have lived who never won a belt.

 

If Fury was a shell of himself in the first Wilder fight, he must've been the equivalent of an arthritic old man on dialysis in the Usyk fights.

 

Yeah, Fury still got knocked down twice and had to dig deep to win.

Fury weighed 20 lbs more in the rematches than he did in the first fight, not sure how that was the "real in shape" version. He just blew up on boar meat and bullied Wilder with sheer size and not even half the skill from the first fight.

 

I'm not sure
I guess it is down to individual opinion
I would favour Ruiz and Byrd against Ortiz but that is only my opinion.

39-0 is a big achievement but it does depend on the opponents at HW as well.
B Neilsen went 49-0