Who is greater? Manny Pac. or Roberto Duran?

He beat very good guys at 135, but not great guys. You said it. Barkley? Beating Barkley made him great? Kalambay,Nunn,Benn all beat him at middleweight, then Toney and Maske and Washington beat him later and others. Barkley's only claim to fame was beating the great Hearns, and that was because he had a great style matchup. But the fact is Duran lost to multiple greats Benitez,Hearns,Hagler,Leonard. How are Duran's skills legendary? I think they were good, but not top 10. His plodding foot positioning is not top 10 ATG.. He lost to Leonard and all the greats like I said. Somehow people forget that Duran lost the rematch easily.I do not think beating Leonard when Ray was inexperienced and just won his first title means that automatically puts Duran top 5. Duran would not have beaten the Leonard of 1981 like he did in 1980.. Because the proof is he couldn't beat him even in late 1980. No way.. He didn't even knock out a young Leonard when Ray fought Duran's fight. Then Ray beat him easily the next two times once Ray got the experience. Ray was top 5 maybe, but not Duran.

 

I agree with you, it was not a great move. I know Duran called Ray's wife a name and Ray reacted like a young inexperienced guy he was, but you do not brawl with Duran and give him what he wants. But even with Ray fighting Duran's fight,Duran did not stop him. Duran not stopping Ray even when Ray fought his fight means Duran is top 5 ATG just on that?? That is what some guys on here are saying. Where does that put the young inexperienced Ray? Number one? Say Duran would have stopped Ray that night and Ray never fought again, no one would have known how great Ray was because his greatest fights were after the first Duran fight when he improved. Ray got experience and learned in that fight that boxing is mental as well as physical, and he then stopped Duran when Duran quit. And Duran knew he was going to be stopped in the rematch, so he quit to prevent that. Notice how Roberto was starting to get hit to the head and body in round 8? Roberto knew what was coming. But yeah I agree, Ray made a mistake of fighting. I will never understand why Duran is rated as high as he is. I do not get it. Propanga has made him greater than he was. He just does not have the wins to warrant top 10 ATG. You have to beat legends over and over again to pass up those legends in the ATG list. He did not do it. How can he jump over guys he never beat.

 

It is a good comparison. Manny has fought some good guys and beat them. Duran did not beat the great guys he fought. If you look at thier resumes, Pacman has beaten more great guys than Duran. Take a look. Yeah Duran has that machismo and aura about him, but that does not change his resume. If you study his resume he did not beat great fighters except Ray, and Ray was just 6 months into his first reign as champ. Even a great fighter like Hagler got a draw with Vito Antuofermo in his first title chance (same night Ray won his title over Benitez). So what happened when Hagler rematched Vito? He stopped him. What happened when Leonard rematched Duran? He stopped him. Ray learned and got better. Duran did not beat the real Leonard who was legend later, and he won a decision over and inexperienced guy.

 

hey scatterbrain, you joined the same month I did. Good post count you have. I only have 2,830 or so. You have much more than me. Good job. I was looking at the list last night of postings and who has the most. Rumsfeld is at 40,000.

 

This is why I never understood why Duran was rated so high. Is it because he fought until he was 50? I am not sure. But guys like Yuri boy Campas are going to have 150 fights and fight until they are 50 probably. Fact is Duran did not beat the legends he had to for that placing. Had he beaten Benitez at 154, and then Hearns and Hagler, then I would have said, ok he beat the 4 greats he fought, he is top 5. But he didn't beat them. I am not sure why people rate him high. Of those who rate him high, no one ever gives me a real answer

 

Still that is a good count. I post a lot at times and then not for awhile. I don't think many people like my comments on Duran. I am just being honest. I am not trying to insult Roberto and I do think he is great, but not top 10- top 35-45. Which is good.