Who is greater P4P George Foreman or Gennady Golovkin?

It's really down to what criteria we are using.

Loudon feels that a few great wins outweigh a resume full of less great but solid wins. I think the opposite. He feels that several losses can be more or less ignored whereas I don't. He doesn't think is matters that much that there are big holes in a fighters game so long as he's getting the W ... whereas I do.

We also seem to fundamentally disagree on what P4P IS. I think its more a way of evaluating a fighter in a H2H sense and in a sense of how capable he was if the criterion of weight was removed. He seems to feel it is more a measure of a fighter's career and their 'greatness' for want of a better word.

No matter. It's just discussion and opinions at the end of the day.

 

Let me state it clearly then: If Golovkin and Foreman were the same size, Golovkin would tear a hole through him.

 

You can’t debate something like this for even a second.

You can’t hypothetically scale fighters up and down.

For very obvious reasons.

If GGG was a HW, he wouldn’t be the GGG that we know.

Likewise, if George was a MW, he wouldn’t be the fighter that we knew.

Bigger and smaller versions of them would have given them completely different styles and attributes.

 

Their fighting styles would remain the same. Personally I think Golovkin's style scales up and down very well indeed.

 

It’s completely unrealistic.

A 5 foot whatever version of George, at MW, would not have fought exactly the same.

Why would he have?

Again, it’s pointless even thinking about it.

It makes as much sense as pondering how a MW version of Wlad would have done.

It’s silly.

 

How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?

 

Bu...but I did have breakfast this morning!

 

A 220 lbs GGG gasses out early from his own work-rate and gets knocked out with feet flying in the air when he tries to walk Foreman down head-first.

You can’t scale fighters up and down like that.

 

I don't see why he would. Does Usyk gas out? Did Holyfield run on empty? How about Povetkin? Golovkin is a cardio beast, no reason to believe that he's stop high altitude running just because he was bigger. No reason to believe that his incredible chin gets worse, either.

 

It's not pointless. A middleweight version of Wlad would be something like Monzon. Except for that Wlad doesn't have Monzon's chin, and with his size advantage gone, I think Wlad would not do as well at middle as he'd done at heavy.

 

Of course it’s pointless.

Utterly pointless.

Imagining a fighter going from 6’6 to 5’10, with a smaller reach, less power and many stones lighter in weight??

Ha!

Ridiculous.

It would just be a different fighter altogether.

What next?

A 6.5’ Mike Tyson?

We’ll leave it there.

 

Imagine that you didn't have breakfast this morning.

 

Imagine trying to compare the reign of a guy who couldn't dominate his backyard and lost to everybody that opened a book on boxing, to a guy that dominated his division for years, was P4P for years and who only lost when he aged out.

 

Hilarious.

It doesn’t matter what analogy I use.

You’ve just compared a modern day SHW, to a MW from the era of same day weigh-ins.

Ridiculous.

No point in continuing.

If you want the last word, be my guest.