Who is greater: Roy Jones or B-Hop?

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people that say jones are just stupid.

 

This.

What also clinches it for me, is the fact bhop should be an inspiration for kids and other impoverished people due to his achievements, making the most of his ability despite not being as athletically gifted as a Roy jones. Hard work and dedication can go a very long way.

Roy jones on the other hand had a much more crowd pleasing style and used his natural almost unreal speed and reflexes to his advantage. But it would be hard to use him as an inspiration like how bhop is as most people are not as naturally gifted. Bhops achievements and mentality transcend boxing and could be used in many aspects of life to show what dedication and hard work can do from a no hope situation.

 

In their prime H2H I pick Roy jones every time, but greatness comes down to bodyu of work and Bernbard Hopkins has run away with it. Legend.

 

In his prime RJJ is miles ahead. Always an entertainer and not a stinker like Bhops. I would ignore these recent RJJ fight just like we ignore Ali getting beat by Holmes and Berbick.

 

Fair enough, I can't disagree with some of the points you have made. They are certainly very, very close in terms of legacy. Perhaps it's my bias towards Hopkins that is leaning me towards him but I do feel his longetivity as well as record will always have him just above of Jones, especially if he goes on further and beats a Dawson/Bute for example.

However, I appreciate Jones a hell of a lot as a fighter and would certainly not grumble with anyone who had him ahead. His athletic ability in his prime was phenomenal; the Woods peroformance was breathtaking imo

 

Beating Toney, Hopkins, Ruiz > beating Froch victim Pascal at 90 years old.

Hopkins win last night, if anything only puts him further behind Calzaghe.

 

RJJ talent wise at peak was untouchable, Hopkins resume is better though.

 

In his prime Jones was the greater fighter.

In terms of achievement its easily Hopkins who has had harder opposition.

 

Rjj shades the best wins because of his near shut outs of both toney and green Hopkins.
Also the win against Ruiz was a very good achievement.

Hopkins domination of the 160lb division is also underlooked sometimes because of the supposed 'smaller men' argument. But for a guy 6ft to be able tp make weight for so long and still perform as it was his weight class deep into later stage of life when many find it difficult to remain there due bone weight, metabolic changes etc is a great feat in itself.

Thats why rjj only shades it when it comes to best win. Hopkns win at LHW against tarver is better than rjj win against old mccalum. And equal to Ruiz in terms of win but not achievement .I.e. Roy jones beat a heavyweIght after starting out at MW.

Also people forget how much an underdog bhop was against the likes of trinidad and pavlik. Both are up there are top wins. Pavlik was supposed to destroy bhop according to inside guys like roach who was in bhops corner for ca zag wright but refused to train him for pavlik as he eared for his health.

Beating decent opposition for such a long time makes bhop greater. But who had the best wins overall, then bhop would struggle to find a better win than just below prime toney.

Thinking about it

 

Hopkins was nowhere near his prime, neither was Jones mind you but Roy had that amatuer background which was an advantage. Prime for prime i think Jones would win but not easily.

 

Pretty simple answer to this: Hopkins has a greater legacy but clearly Jones at his prime was near unbeatable. Hopkins is greater.