Who is greater, Wlad or Lewis?

I don't think that is outrageous to pick Morrison to KO wlad early.

 

Why wouldn't he? Foreman was more dangerous and had a better jab than WK. Brewster blitzed Wlad in a fairly officiated fight and he was slower in foot and hand to Morrison.
For Wlad to be successful against bums he need his own ref under his own house rules in Germany.
Its not even debatable.

 

Zeljko Mavrovic was a good tactician with unfulfilled potential. He did better against Lewis than prime Vitali against a terrible Lewis.
Thompson wasn't close to Ziko's level. And Wlad looked like a total laughing stock resorting throwing and flinging Thomson around the ring because he could not out box him. He needed his power to bail him out as usual.

 

Did I list Thompson twice ? Did I mention the rematch ?
I listed a load of challengers, Thompson among them. I'm not asking you to count him twice.
You chose to focus on Thompson and call him "cannon fodder" for the 1990s and unlikely to earn a title shot in that era.
I believe Thompson was credible enough relative to most challengers of Lewis's era.

If you want to know why Wlad fought him the second time it is because the IBF named Thompson as mandatory challenger for 2012.

 

Oh ffs people !
If Wladimir Klitschko had someone with exact same sort of resume/career as Zelkjo Mavrovic on his resume (which he probably has), you'd be dismissing him as some skinny Euro-title-bum totally undeserving of a world title shot.
At best you'd consider him mediocre.

But because he went the distance with Lewis and then never fought again, he's held up as this master tactician with and iron chin and his status as an "enigma" is emphasised to give Lewis a pass.
Not that Lewis NEEDS a pass, but the agenda is clear: to make everything Lewis did seem a bit better than it was, and everything Wlad did seem a lot worse.

 

I have already agreed that Lewis Mercer > Wlad Mercer. But I do NOT agree that the Mercer Wlad fought was completely shot. He was in the middle of an 11 fight win streak, ffs. The only loss being to Wlad.

And it's worth looking at those respective wins. But, I guess to fanboy eyes one couldn't possibly compare them

I quote to you: shooting arrows at the long-dead kill of a prior huntsman, is hardly worthy of credit, let alone an enthusiastic claim to bragging rights.

Lewis hurried to fight the worst possible version of Golota right after his gruelling fights with Bowe. Let's all applaud that timing

And I've already explained how those Lewis opponents were already well-beaten and tamed by other fighters before him.

He took Mercer on right after he lost to Holyfield.
He took on Golota right after Bowe.
He took on Holyfield only after he had been through the Bowe meatgrinder.
He fought the nutso version of McCall.
He fought Tyson who by that time was there just for a payday.

I guess you summed it up:

Shooting arrows at the long-dead kill of a prior huntsman, is hardly worthy of credit, let alone an enthusiastic claim to bragging rights.

Tell that to Tim Witherspoon, Leo Loiacono, Jimmy Haynes, Jeff Pegues, Don Steele, Brian Scott, Troy Weida, Mario Cawley, Shawn Robinson, Steve Pannell and Darroll Wilson

 

Thank you. The voice of reason.

This thread should be labelled "Fanboi Attak", because that's what is happening.

Soon, Justin Fortune and Lionel Butler will join the ranks of boxers that were better than Ibragimov, than goddamn bum.

 

THIS ^

Seems to me that putting Lennox and Wlad in the same thread always results in a sh*tstorm.

 

I guess Pulev who stood like a statue with his arms flapping out all over the place was a better opponent , right?

If you can't see that Zelkjo Mavrovic was a complete boxer with good movement and a powerful right hand its possible you may be suffering from chronic Klitschko fanboyism.

 

Why are you copy and pasting names off boxrec when you have NO CLUE who any of those guys are?

You never saw the Witherspoon fight because if you did you'd know Mercer was clearly beaten in that fight.

Briggs is on a win streak right now. Is he a credible opponent for Joshua??

 

Phil Jackson was trash, particularly after Ruddock completely exposed him.

 

Many say Mercer did enough to beat Lewis. Guess they must be right, too.

 

Lewis is overall the better fighter.

 

If you're going to list Thompson as a credible opponent then be prepared to be asked why you think so.

It doesn't matter whether or not you listed him twice, you pedant!

But, on the point of Wlad having faced him twice, this is a fair enough indicator of the division being weak.

I don't think he was and you can't seem to put a case together, which supports an argument for his credibility.

He had not competed at a high level; fought no one of note; beat no one of note; no one that would have earned him any kind of recognition for a title shot in Lewis era; your arbitrary selection of Lewis opponents and unsupportable claim that Thompson's credibility was relative to "most" Lewis opponents is just throwaway sweeping statement - even your Mavrovic example is thin. And Jackson, whilst not being a world-beater in any sense of the word, had generally fought better opposition than Thompson.

Thompson could only have been considered credible in Wlad's era because it was such a shallow division, by then.

Do you have a hard time reading?
You clearly believe Thompson was a credible opponent for Wlad (whether or not you listed him twice is neither here nor there). I asked why you thought the rematch was credible not why the fight took place.

Are you admitting that the Thompson of the second bout with Wlad was not credible?

 

If you're going to list Mavrovic as a credible opponent then be prepared to be asked why you think so

I don't think he was and you can't seem to put a case together, which supports an argument for his credibility.

He had not competed at a high level; fought no one of note; beat no one of note; no one that would have earned him any kind of recognition for a title shot in Wlad era

Thompson's best wins:

David Price x2
Vaughn Bean
Timur Ibragimov
Solis x2
Chazz Witherspoon.

I'd say Thompson had a better resume than the Croatian baker.