Who is higher P4P now - Haye or Adamek? Better career?

Bell was the first undisputed CW champion since Holyfield: WBA, WBC, IBF, The Ring.

 

I'd give a slight edge to Adamek right now, and honestly, if he beats Arreola and Haye I'd probably leapfrog him over Chad Dawson as well.

 

wow wow .. you mean that Dawson (the famous mandatory
ducker and Tarver 2x conqueror) has so far much better career
than both Adamek and Haye?

 

I used to give Chad his fair share of **** on here, and he still benefits from being in a weak ass division, but it's clear he's the big fish in that small pond now. I'll admit that I'm also doing the same thing I did with Nonito Donaire after he beat Vic, and that's giving Chad extra credit because his best win (Adamek in this case) accomplished alot after losing to them, so there's some piggybacking taking place.

Inactivity and being in a shitty division will lead to him likely getting jumped by more names soon as more guys continue to fight and pick up better wins while he remains stagnant.

 

Adamek, Glen Johnson twice, Antonio Tarver twice is better than Haye in the CW and HW division.

 

Lets put this straight, the whole career of Tarver and Johnson is
based on two lucky punches over the faded Jones Jr and only the
former career legacy of Roy make these two punches significant.

Also Chads win over both of them happened like 3-4 years
after they both were dethroned from the lucky top1 spot.
The cherry picking and throwing out the belts instead fighting
the mandatory isn't helping Chad to gain proper respect as #1 LHW.

Vise talent Chad is very good material but he didnt proved to be
even the best in his division during the 4 years after he beat Adamek,
while both Adamek and Haye were ring champions at CW and
are doing well at HW.

Maybe if you compare CD career at LHW with Haye/Adamek career in the
single division that would favor Dawson but overall he is far behind.

 

David Hye imo i think he KO's Adamek if they ever meet

 

Adamek without doubt, and its not because im a fan of his. He has fought greater amount of good opposition.

 

That's not fair to Tarver to who has a plethora of solid wins on his resume from the likes of Muriqui to Harding (from Philadelphia) to Glen Johnson to Clinton Woods. He's more than solid.

Cherry picking...every time I see that word when it comes to Chad Dawson, my ****in skin crawls.

First let's address the original "Dawson ducks opponent" guy in Diaconu. They were scheduled to fight, Diaconu pulled out with injury. Justifiable. Then when they were to reschedule this, Diaconu pulled some abnormal wanna be power moves such as demanding the fight in Romania and/or Montreal. Dawson didn't like the terms so he dropped his belt to pick up a different one against Antonio Tarver for MORE money. He didn't "duck or cherry pick", he made a wise business decision. If he was SO scared to fight him, he wouldn't of taken that fight in the first place.

Now I assume the SECOND option is Tavors Cloud. Let's not even ****ing get in depth on that one. HBO and Dawson wanted to set up Cloud vs Dawson on HBO with a doubleheader. Cloud STEPPED away from that one and instead chose to fight Clinton Woods on ESPN FnF for a title. HOW is that Dawson's fault? Cloud didn't want to play ball so that's not on Dawson.

Now let's get to the cherry picking argument. The fight against Tarver was fine. The rematch against Tarver was a contracted deal that Dawson had to abide by. I'm going to pray that the Johnson II fight isn't considered cherry picking...because all of the idiots here said he lost the first one so for him to take a rematch shows he's anything but a cherry picker.

Now he's going to fight Jean Pascal...what more do you want from the ****in guy? Hopkins? Hopkins already said that's not happening.

Only here on ESB could a guy beat Adamek, Johnson, Tarver and likely Jean Pascal and eat a bucketload of **** over it.

 

David Haye.

He was the legit Cruiserweight Champion and has a title at Heavyweight. Adamek has held a title at Light Heayweight and Cruiserweight, but was never a Champion. Haye's best wins are better than Adamek's best wins and his loss doesn't really mean a whole lot compared to Adamek's loss.

 

There is weight for everything, oficially they share similar amount
of belts (Haye a bit bigger number while Adamek more defenses),
and Adamek fought more quality competition while Haye won belt at
more prestigious weight ... so the result depends how you slice the cake.

In this I would favor Haye by slight margin just because he keep
HW belt now and he is more real treat to beat Klitchkos than Adamek.

I think that this may change soon and not because Adamek-Arreola
but because Quiet Johny.

 

Whatever, the wins over Tarver and Johnson aren't bad but they
still don't give Dawson status of champion in the division and rightfully.

Even Erdei moving up to CW and winning belt over there
seems to be more credible in terms of the best LHW.
Pascal is the first right decision in Dawson LHW career after
win over Adamek in terms of gaing proper respect as best LHW.

But guess what, this fight didn't happened and Dawson didn't won yet.

 

Are you foolishly trying to say that beating Fragomeni is better than beating Tarver and Johnson? Why should Dawson have passed on these fights to fight Diaconu and Cloud?

 

At least it proves that Erdei is really skilled fighter however with
weak resume ... which is no much less than Dawson proved so far.

I'm not saying that Dawson should not fight Tarver or Johnson
but I'm saying that fighting them all over is not good for his
business, if he fought them once and in the meantime he beat
both of his mandarories: Cloud and Diaconu that would
give no shadow on his resume.

Even if he did that ... this is still below what Haye and Adamek did overall.

 

Based on resume, I would say Adamek. However, if they ever thought I'd back Haye to knock him out.