Who is Joshua's best win since Povetkin in 2018?

The casual disregard of body ratings may have more impact on fans' ability to reasonably rate a win.

Wlad never fought a vol in his career.

Wlad also has no resume worth mention in any debate beyond his own era.

Wlad put on an absolute show with fighters like Leapai.

Wlad enjoyed a career's worth of the bodies naming a mando and then, after the mando is named, that name like magic appears on Ring and TBRB.

Povetkin is a fighter who maintained rating without fighting for a title for more than a decade.

Povetkin is a fighter who fought the names who made it to a rating by getting a Wlad mando, after they already fought for the title, so that he can maintain a top position without ever being positioned to fight for the title himself.

Wlad vs Povetkin is the worst HW title fight in the full history of title fights. Peep over at my list-o-champ, I go back to the ancients and I include the second tier like colored and R&T. Wlad vs Pov has more clinching than title fights held during eras when clinching was legal. More stalling than any other title fight ever.

And this is the problem with chucking the body rating in the fire.

Alex Leapai is one of Wlad's best performances and fights. Povetkin is one of Wlad's absolute worst.


That said, Ruiz was a top fighter in 2018. Ruiz is and was a better fighter then than Povetkin had ever achieved. Ruiz was positioned like a man who shot up ranks trying to get a title shot. Pov was positioned is such a way as to hide or avoid title shots.



You guys use TBRB and Ring for logical fallacies and bull**** that doesn't actually reflect talent in anyway and I am fully aware there are TBRB guys here when I say it's nothing but a popularity contest issy with ring because they got out voted on prom queen. The body ratings exist specifically so fighters who POSITION THEMSELVES WITH WINS can get title fights without having to be marketable or entertaining.

Andy Ruiz was trying to be a champion and forced his way up the ratings. That's what they should do and we should praise them. Sasha made a career on leftovers and avoiding champions. Don't let that stop you from praising the for sale ratings.



Never once wondered why the great minds at Ring or TBRB have never predicted the next big thing? Kind of hard to when you wait for fans to sniff farts to rate men isn't it? You know who is going to rate a young lion based solely off their juxtaposition to the division? Not ****ing RIng lads, not TBRB, that;s the bodies and the bodies alone.

 

I've not been told it, I've seen it with my own eyes. Watch the Fury doc on Netflix, he's setting ridicolous deadlines and his team are phoning him saying if he just keeps quiet the fight will be made, but he picks a random time and is there watching the clock, and the second it reaches that time he goes online to say the fight can't be made. Dude literally starts jumping with joy because he doesn't have to fight AJ.

With Wilder it's harder to say since it was all done behind the scenes. But Wilder admitted to turning down more money to fight Fury instead of AJ, plus Wilder was the one who was protected (Al Hayman said Wilder wasn't ready for Klitschko in 2015 despite the fact he had a belt) whereas Joshua actually took the tough fights.

 

Deontay Wiler said it himself, so... xD

 

Ruiz, regardless of weight he had always been top level and dangerous.

I think Ruiz is underrated AF.

 

I think it's his own fault. He got lazy after getting that AJ bag.

 

Yeah absolutely he got lazy, money went straight to his head.

 

He smashed Joshua, lost a close fight with Parker. Schooled Ortiz and could have stopped him earlier had he not been so hesitant/overthinking.

Had Joshua tentative, running and at bay in their rematch, the previous 4 belt holder. AJ wasn't keen to engage like last time so how on earth is that "easily neutralised" !!

Ruiz was champion, and was a threat to every top elite guy, and competitive enough to take their place, which he did.

 

Geez you’re a hater.

 

You said Ruiz wasn't elite and is "easily" neutralised by the "elite": I just want to know who or what is elite?

Does your elite exist in this dimension? Is he visible through any wavelength of light that humans can perceive?

Because Joshua was at the top. Elite of the elite. Numero Uno. The champion. Four belts.

And Ruiz beat him fair and square. No luck. And he did it with ease.

Let's get that part understood before we break down any of your other nonsense.

Maybe your Elite is Muhamad Ali? I just want to know. Because if it is.... well Ali has been retired for ages. He is no longer active as a heavyweight, at least not in this dimension mate.

 

Your judgement of Joshua's boxing IQ is subjective. It's
your opinion.

At the end of the day he was two time heavyweight champion, has among the best resumes in the division today, and was an Olympic Gold Medallist. Very accomplished indeed.

Secondly, I couldn't care less what your excuses are for why Joshua was tentative in his second fight, my point was that he WAS tentative, and that it was a weak attitude to have against an opponent in comparison with say Dillian Whyte where he jumped right back in with Povetkin who had starched him cold in their first meet but then Whyte stuck it on Povetkin in the second fight, showing zero fear.

That was a better attitude versus AJ. Henceforth Ruiz did some serious damage to AJs mentality and confidence, and he took AJs belts, and you think Ruiz is "easily" neutralised.

You need some schooling on the English language, you're using it wrong.

 

Ruiz rematch is probably the best - I remember LOTS of folk on here saying “Ruiz has his number, all wrong for him, hands too fast, will KO him 9 times out of 10, what bad management, it’s his ego etc etc” - so realistically, a win in an immediate rematch in a virtual shutout was a good result. I still rate Ruiz too for what it’s worth.

Pulev was a decent result at the time too. Maybe not a world beater, but was always a top contender level, and Joshua properly pasted him.

Wallin was considered a decent win at the time, again a lot of folk picked against Joshua, and I expected Wallin to trouble him a lot more than he did. On the night it was a thrashing. So the manner of the win looked good at the time.
Hasn’t aged great though tbh.

 

Losing to Uysk twice is no shame but yes 2023 AJ is kinda unproven