Who is more finished?

I think psychologically Joshua is in a worse place.

 

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Joshua keeps getting himself into these do or die situations.

Reeling around after the Klitschko KD
Rematch with Fat Andy
Rematch with Super Usyk

He's always managed to cling onto the illusion being sold to the UK commoner, but I think this is the final act.

Wilder can get in there with anyone and be a legitimate threat.

 

Neither are as finished as your crappy persona

 

AJ is psychologically a bit lost, nothing irretrievable but he's clearly at conflict internally and maybe he needs to sack off the image conscious stuff and just be himself and go out there and fight. He hasn't taken any physically long term damaging beatings.

Wilder at this point is psychologically fine against anyone not named Fury, but remains to be seen how much is left in the tank after the last beating.

Question marks over both but still lots of great fights and money to be made, as well as redemption to be had, for both.

 

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Most of the current guys are cruising for a fall pretty soon. We have a cruiserweight who's getting older and relies on slick boxing, Wilder who just took a huge beating and is old, and Fury who's had a history of drug problems and depression AND just spent three fights getting hit by a massive puncher.

Joshua is oddly in the best position of all of them, since he's not that old, has bounced back before, and apparently has the unconditional support of regular UK people even when he loses. He may not be declining so much as stabilizing and learning the hard way what his limits are.

 

Fury... within the end of 2023, after Usyk I and II

 

Neither are finished. Both lost to arguably ATG fighters. No shame in that and both can still be big players in the HW division. Not sure it's wise for AJ to immediately rematch Usyk though.

 

Wilder has taken both severe physical punishment and psycological damage. Joshua just psycological damage.
We'll see how the rest of their careers pan out though.

 

Wilder took two nasty beatings in a row whereas Joshua was just really out boxed though he sustained some eye damage and was out on his feet late

I expect Joshua to lose again to Usyk though I'm not sure it goes any worse. The the division is still not great all around though some of the toughest fights are that British/DAZN circle with Whyte, Joyce, Parker, Hrgovic and given AJ is a brit fighting on DAZN there will be big pressure to get in with one of them

Wilder on the other hand is on PBC where a guy like Charles Martin or Robert Helenius is a big name and he can come back with a softer touch. Obviously there is Andy Ruiz who is a danger but I feel Wilder can still be resurrected. I am also not convinced Joshua is some monumental favorite over Wilder if they were to fight. I still feel confident in Wilder KO'ing Joshua and Whyte and possibly Parker.

I think Usyk would out class Wilder and I also feel Usyk beats the version of Tyson Fury we just saw.

I think Wilder and Joshua are still forces in the division even if it is possible that they dont win another belt or become the main belt holder in the division again

 

Forgetting the absurd wording of the poll this is actually a pretty good question. I think that, for both fighters, it is their psyche which needs repairing and not their physical skills.

Wilder's whole persona and self-worth seemed to be based on the power in his fists and the idea that no one could handle it. As far as AJ goes. ever since he was knocked down in the first Ruiz fight he has seemed tentative and unsure.

Once Wilder fights a couple of times and knocks out some less than special opponents he will feel good again. On the other hand, I think Joshua may be finished as an elite heavyweight.

 

Wilder is damaged good. More so than Joshua. Anyone fighting him has the blue print. He has taken a lot more damage physically and mentally. imho. I expect more fighters to start knocking him into nap time. the next couple of fights will tell.