Who is more important to boxing history. Wladimir Klitschko or Floyd Mayweather Jr

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Wladimirschin, May 31, 2013.

  1. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    You've persuaded me- Wlad was clearly the most important fighter. I had always thought Wlad just shifted the heavyweight scene, but as you astutely pointed out, he killed it. I never realized how much I underestimated his impact.

    You see, with Lennox, there was always another top American heavyweight ready to take him on. Fans were excited, contenders were excited. They lined up to take their shot. Lennox couldn't even find time to face them all, like the man Ike beat in 1999, but he had no problem finding and fighting top warriors.

    Not so with Wlad. The picture you've brilliantly painted of Wlad is less of a title reign and more of a reign of terror. Instead of stepping up to the plate for the most prestigious crown in combat sports as is custom, American boxers took their 100 years of heavyweight glory and simply went home once Wlad took over. The domestic heavyweight scene immediately transformed into something from Scar's reign from the Lion King. Your prudent prediction recognizes that U.S. interest will indeed come back, that we'll control the scene again by 2020 once Wlad the Impaler retires and his heavyweight reign of terror ends.

    No man, foreign or domestic, has ever brought the division to it's knees like this. Rather than risk the punishment of uprising now, our heavyweight hopes have to bide their time and hope themselves that Father Time can do what they dare not try to. And then we'll get our champions back.

    Well said, my friend. Well said. :good :happy
     
  2. Cael

    Cael Claudia Cardinale Full Member

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    what elite american fighter are you talking about?

    Shot to **** tyson and hoyfield, the same holyfield who went on next to lose to Byrd?

    beat americans when americans still cared?...really? shot to **** tyson who came for a payday and a 38yer old Holyfield?
    wtf are you talking about ****** noob?!!
     
  3. Auracle21

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    Yes but history remembered the heavyweights when they were good. Now it is just an afterthought. It is not nearly as significant as it once was.
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    21 Ukrainians have voted in this thread.
     
  5. dyna

    dyna Boxing Junkie banned

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  6. bchap05

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    When a Floyd article is posted on Espn in 2 hours it has over 5,000 comments. When a Wlad article is posted in 2 months it has 150 comments. I'm sure more people will remember Wlad.
     
  7. On The Money

    On The Money Dangerous Journeyman Full Member

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    Why not wait until their careers are over and then make the call? In the US Floyd is obviously more relevant.
     
  8. Kevin Jesus

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    It's all about popularity. You just mentioned a bunch of comparisons in which the HW division was highly popular in the U.S.

    In the 90's when Whitaker was a top 3 P4P fighter, HW was shining with talent and popularity.

    That was not the case when SRL, RD, TH were around, they out shined the HW division in their time, with popularity.

    In this era, for the past decade or so, De La Hoya, Mayweather, Pacquiao, and the Big 3 (JMM, MAB, EM) have helped put the smaller weight classes on the map + the help of good American HW's declining. The popularity is now on the 140-154 divisions and it's going to stay that way until the HW division becomes popular in America again, which will not happen unless Boxing starts offering young big guys out of college 6-7 digit pay days in their rookie year of boxing, like NFL, NBA, MLB offers in their first year.

    The HW division is dead where it matters, and that is the U.S.

    In Europe, the HW division is alive and kicking, bu the only one's who are going to care about the 2005s-present HW division are Europeans, not Americans. Americans will remember Mayweather and Pacquiao from this era, and maybe Broner and Canelo if their popularity keeps rising at the pace it is current rising.
     
  9. Kevin Jesus

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    Exactly, what's popular in Eastern Europe, does not matter to Americans. They do not care about that, they do not see these Eastern European HW's on their TV screens. When the only way you could be seen here is by illegal streaming, you know you are not popular here.

    While these big dudes are attracting 50-70k to buy their tickets, these "Smaller" guys Mayweather, Pacquiao, Cotto, Chavez Jr are attracting 500k-1.5Million fans to dish out $50-70 dollars to watch them. Do the math, and figure out who's more popular.
     
  10. assasin

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    Keven Jesus, you're posts are super ****ing arrogant and have nothing of worth to them.

    i picked Mayweather. not because he's American, but because it's easy to see who fought and beat the much better quality of opponent. there is a way to put across this argument in a factual and unbiased way. but clearly that is impossible for you to do.

    keep your stars and stripes argument to yourself, because it lowers the tone of the forum. please do **** yourself.
     
  11. Danmann

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    As brothers the Klitschkos individually Maywaether.
     
  12. Auracle21

    Auracle21 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Says the most arrogant and biased Euro/English. Poster. Ignore this idiot. Another dude who cannot be unbiased and will be a douche. Put him on ignore. I shall do that from here on out.
     
  13. Pulev

    Pulev Guest

    Do you like hate Lennox because he's black? It honestly have something to do with race with you don't it?

    Klitschkos are Ukrainian Whites btw.. that's a sub human form of white..
    Hitler will not be pleased .. you ****ing virgin ****
     
  14. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    You think Wladimir ranks higher in the stacked HW division than Floyd does ATG at SFW?!?!

    Polls show that you are in an extreme minority. In order for that to be true, Wladimir would have to be one of the two or three best HW's ever, because I've never seen Floyd ranked lower than 3rd at SFW... ever.

    And Floyd was only at 130 for about 3+ years.

    Nice try to discredit a fighter you clearly are bias against.
     
  15. tobias

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    Wladimir Klitschko, 3rd tier before 2005-2006 or so, important? Maybe to Europe. Sorry, Germany. :)) Wlad is not even top 30 all time in his division. Btw, Vitali was more talented in his prime.