Who is more powerful- David Tua or George Foreman

Dude, his legs are even more freakish looking in person. ****ing redwood trunks. It's the freakiest looking thing you've ever seen. No fighter in the sport has EVER had legs like that. And he knew how to punch from them. Crazy power.

 

watch the first fight again and watch the first punch thrown

 

It caught is attention, that's all. Watch the 2nd round of their first fight and you'll see holyfield badly stun tyson

 

Yep. In the 80s and 90s George was much slower than he previously was, and he wasn't a speed demon to begin with. Him being slower meant that the oponents could see his punches coming and roll with them more, taking a lot of the damage away.

Even still, he litterally moved a lot of people when he landed on their arms and shoulders full force. His jab alone often knocked his openents out of range. There was a moment in the mid rounds against Holyfield where Foreman's stiff jab actually saved Evander from a likely knockdown because it shoved Evander right out of the way of the following uppercut and hook.

No other heavyweight has a history of forcing so many other strong heavyweights back. Briggs, a notoriously fast starter and strong, hard punching fighter didn't dare stand infront of Foreman or try moving him back. He had no problems going right at Lewis, though. Granted, it go him knocked out in the end, but he definitely had his moments and it shows how strong George must have been for Briggs to be so discouraged from trying to stand infront of him or even back him up.

Foreman rarely let his go in his comeback the way he did in the 1970s. In the 1970s he'd have both cannons firing and if someone got trapped they were in big, big trouble because he wouldn't let up. In his comeback, George knew he didn't have the stamina or speed to do what he used to do, so he adopted a style of marching forward like a moving wall and working behind a stiff jab and occasionally letting measured punches go. You can count on 1 hand the number of times per fight George let both hands go in a "i'm going to kill you" manner. He was never a 1 punch knockout guy to begin with, throw in a lowered workrate and less knockouts are bound to happen.

 

Tua is the better "One-Shot" hitter, but Foreman is right there too, and the much greater ATG fighter without question...

Foreman really was a "Clubber."

Tua was a "Whacker."

Both men were strong in their primes, but I still go with Foreman being stronger, despite being a good 10 to 15 pounds lighter than the slobbish Tua who faced Lewis in 2001.......

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MR.BILL

 

What do people think of Dwight Muhammad Qawi.

Sometimes it looked like he got hit but actually just dodged punches (very economical defence), total monster.

 

He was very slick. When he didn't want you to drill him, you weren't gonna drill him. Also strong with decent pop. For only being 5'6 he did amazing thigns at the higher weights.

 

It sent Holyfield flying across the ring

 

get foremans jizz off your face, ******

so foreman was weak minded and had an equally weak heart ... or he wasn't as powerful as you cocksuckers make him out to be. Tyson came back with a vengeance after he lost to Douglas ... he accepted it and didn't ***** about it like foreman who made every excuse possible after a past prime Ali beat the hell out of him.

younger foreman weighed as much as Tyson and didn't have the technique or hand speed ... he made his name from KOing Frazier and Norton, two guys who don't have the most amazing chins. Especially Norton. Tyson would destroy them as well.

Foreman is still "mentally weak" and "fragile" 3 years after the Ali fight when Jimmy Young KOed him.

 

I'm pretty sure Tyson could go through Foreman his first career unbeaten and with the highest KO% of all heavyweights.
Even adding some punchers Foreman didn't want to face.(Jeff Merritt)

Jeff Merritt his manager promised Foreman 50 thousand dollar for fighting Foreman who could get the shot at Frazier.
That would be equal to Pulev not accepting a 110 thousand dollar (yearly 2% inflation to 50thousand dollar) bid from Wilders.

Instead Foreman fought Terry Sorrell

Foreman also admitted on avoiding

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Well, in fairness, Foreman probably would have done a similar number on the guys that Tyson faced when he was coming up

For example, in the first fight of his second career, he faced Steve Zouski, and stopped him only one round later than Tyson did when he fought him in his nineteenth fight. He may not have looked quite as spectacular in bludgeoning the Zouskis and Hoseas of the world, but I;m pretty certain he'd be able to get the job done.

 

Ooops, I meant to say Briggs, not Coetzer.

Against Stewart, Foreman had to resort to low blows (flagrant, hard low blows at that) to immobilize Stewart enough to hit him. It's amazing Foreman didn't get more points taken away after some of those low blows.

But I agree that old Foreman was still a heavy puncher, but not the bone-breaking puncher that he's made out to be.

Most of his early comeback victims were pathetic. It's much easier to knock out clearly overmatched and/or inferior opposition.

 

I'm Tua's height (5'9 1/2"), and I sure as hell can't carry as much weight on my frame as he can on his, despite my religious weight-training program. This guy is a physical marvel.
What's crazy is he and James Toney are about the same height, but Toney looks like the Pillsbury Doughboy at Tua's weight!

 

Yeah, but when Foreman stepped up to the Bert Cooper/Dwight Qawi/Adilson Rodriques level, he stopped them, too. Yes...There were very definitely some no-hopers during the early portion of his comeback. But there were some respectable names on his resume, and some guys that very likely could have extended Big George if he hadn't retained his punching power.

His delivery system really only began to fail him after he won the championship; and even then, opponents tended to get the worst of it when they stood in front of him and traded.

There are spectacular punchers, who can cause opponents to fall in cartoonish manner when they connect. Foreman wasn't necessarily a spectacular puncher (though he could produce spectacular KO's from time to time. Ask Gerry Cooney). But in terms of functional power...the ability to hit a guy, stop him in his tracks with the shot so that another shot could connect and then a third until he could really lower the boom and put him on the mat...Foreman wasn't that far behind any other heavyweight you could name...even during this second career.

It's a testament to how hard his functional power really was that legit punchers like Briggs and Morisson decided that it really wasn't in their best interest to stay in front of the guy and chose to box from the outside rather than slug.

Foreman could hit...hard. And if Tua's left hook was better or if Tyson was more capable of producing jaw dropping, "OMGWTFBBQ" KO's, it was because of their strengths, rather than any supposed deficiency on Foreman's part.

 

Drews pretty much got this wrapped. All great posts.