Who is more powerful- David Tua or George Foreman

I don't have anyone jizz on my face this thread is Tua vs Foreman and you bring up Tyson, ballbags.

So you're saying you think the 88 Tyson is the same as the post prison Tyson...ok

And as for "excuses" im pretty sure Tyson claimed he didnt "train" for Douglas,Holyfield and a few other fights.

 

Its well known that he didn't though?

 

Foreman also said Quarry was the hardest puncher he ever faced. Foreman never ducked Jerry Quarry. According to Quarry they sparred 1 round and Foreman was the strongest fighter he ever faced. I will trust Quarry more than Foreman who lies constantly now.

Its kind of funny that Kid Dynamite the typical Tyson fan boy who praises a ****** would say Ali beat the **** out of Foreman a hall of famer but makes excuses for Douglas a journeyman really beating the **** out of Tyson.

Ali beat the **** out of Foreman by laying on the ropes hoping Foreman would get tired? And I read back post and we all know Tyson ducked 40 year old Foreman so why are we still on this ****?

Anyway I will say Foreman was physically stronger and a harder puncher. But Tua through his hooks more precise.

 

Tyson didn't **** anybody and its ironic you would say that about him when Shawn Kemp has more illegitimate children than he can count.

And when did Tyson "duck" Foreman? When he was in jail? Tyson "ducked" Foreman but Foreman didn't "duck" Quarry after sparring with him and refusing to fight him?? You are a true ****ing ****** ... Foreman basically admits he avoids Quarry yet you claim he didn't. Foreman also ducked Holmes for his entire career.

Foreman had no heart or skill ... and was exposed by an old Ali. The biggest puncher he ever fought was a ****ing complete bum in Gerry Cooney, by his own admission. Ron Lyle had him down and Jimmy Young had him out.

George Foreman ... no skill, no heart, no mental strength, no speed, overrated chin ... but he "punches hard!" because he KOed glass jawed Norton and beat up Frazier. Needed illegal tactics to beat Frazier as well ... he would push him off whenever he moved into range.

 

Guy was skilled enough to push off in such a way that he wasn't getting caught for doing something that was an infraction against the rules of the sport. He had the mental strength needed to re-dedicate himself to the sport after ten years away from the game, and to keep his eye on the prize even after suffering losses in title fights to Holyfield and Morrisson. And his chin was solid enough to take a succession of punches from a guy like Holyfield, who possesed a fairly decent dig for a heavy-weght.

Oh...and...

Foreman hit hard enough to knock out most everyone he faced until he was deep into his forties. That's why the majority of people on this thread agree that he hit hard.

Will it help if someone who is praising George's power also praises Tyson's..? Fine then: Tyson hit like a mother****er. Iron Mike's power was terrifying.

There...

Hope that made you feel better, and I hope that you can now stop lashing out against anyone who happens to think that George Foreman hit pretty ****ing hard in his own right.

'Cause seriously, dude....Do you honestly expect us to believe that Foreman was a completely clueless in the ring, or that he possessed fists of fluff in there? You're not doing your credibility any favors if that really is the case.

Trolling's one thing, but c'mon now...at some point, reality has to enter the equation, even if you're engaged in that type of activity. And the reality is that Foreman was a much better and more dangerous heavyweight than the vast majority of boxers who have fought in that division.

 

I'll play devil's advocate here...

Foreman stopped a Cooper who was coming off a drug binge and had been lying around with prostitutes the day before fighting Big George. I don't think anyone thinks that the Cooper Foreman fought was the same guy who nearly KO'd Holyfield or who took both Mercer and Moorer to the limit.

Dwight Qawi was a name who was fighting at, what, a good 40-50lbs over his ideal fighting weight. And even then, Qawi was hitting George with a lot of punches. The fight was pretty even up until the stoppage.

Adilson was a chinless guy who had already been splattered by Holyfield. Sure, the left hook that George knocked him out with was thunderous, but you have to look at the opponent. That wasn't Razor Ruddock or even Bonecrusher Smith or Tim Witherspoon that Foreman was starching.

Foreman's opponents pre-Holyfield were a joke. For the life of me I still can't see the relevance of George's KO of Gerry Cooney. Of all the fighters around at that time, why Gerry Cooney? There were several active heavyweights around at the time who were big, strong, and rated that George could have fought. But to dig up Gerry Cooney? Come on!

 

Whilst it's more or less the main point of this thread, I have to say that there's way too much petty quibbling about who punched harder than whom taking place here. Like Magna and Drew said, when you get to that level, any of these guys can put your lights out if they land right. And certain punchers might have success where others don't, and vice versa. Even were every single one of these fighters to have their kinetic power tested and compared, I doubt it would tell the whole story. The human body reacts to physical trauma in very unpredictable ways which we don't entirely understand yet. To look at power as a linear attribute is simplistic and naive. Rather, we should look at the delivery method behind that power, the defensive attributes of the opponent, their style, their physiology and so on to really determine the probable outcome. Even then, it's still anyone's guess.

Saying all that, damn, Tua's legs are just freakish! No wonder he punched so damn hard.

 

And in turn...

Foreman's training habits were very similar to what you described with Cooper going into his fight with Young; but that doesn't necessarily change the fact that Young was still able to school Big George in the ring. Foreman doesn't get a pass from me for that. Young had the number of a guy who had the physical ability to take him out. Simple as that.

Same with Foreman-Cooper...Big George was facing damaged goods, but still dispatched him in efficient fashion. It was still a step up; and it wasn't George's fault that his opponent decided to party himself into oblivion. Foreman got the job done against someone who was a step up from the guys he had faced before then during his comeback.

Qawi was a beach ball going into the fight with Foreman, and landed a lot against him. But despite the fact that George couldn't land flush, he still damaged Qawi to the extant that he decided to quit. It wasn't pretty, but it was still a testament to how hard Foreman hit that he scored a stoppage on someone who was able take the brunt off of virtually all of the incoming that he had to deal with.

And Rodrigues was dispatched with the same ease that Holyfield had managed, in spite of the fact that he wasn't nearly as fast as The Real Deal. You get one guess as to why that might be the case.

As for Cooney...he was considered to be pick'em, at the very least, with Foreman going into their fight. The general consensus among those who were interested in this fight was that Cooney was less far gone, and that he would be the one to end Foreman's comeback in exceedingly painful fashion. But Foreman finished him in such a manner that made it apparent to everyone that he was still capable of punching pretty damned hard, at any rate.

 

So you're saying Tyson didn't train? Im pretty sure he was sparring,running etc before those fights and just not rock up on the day of the fight. He trained whether or not his mind was on the job is another thing.

 

George Foreman, the strongest fighter ever. Tua very strong but nowhere near Foreman. Foreman overpowered guys like Frazier and Chuvalo. Nobody other than Foreman could do that.

 

The Young Foreman from 1968 to 1971 was the stronger man and the harder hitter. Tua hit almost as hard as the 90's Foreman.

 

Some good discussions here, also by you lobotomy-you have belied your name! How about adding a "Zombie" in there too as an upgrade?

I tend to think Foreman hit slightly harder than Tua in absolute power, & yes, comeback Foreman about the same as prime Tua, though he ducked some dangerous fighters since he was so much slower. With all his flaws he also had a great jab, uppercut, ring cutting abilities, aggression & chin.

Though it is surprising that weight of gloves make marginal differences in testing. And while I agree that Shavers hit the hardest, you cannot argue this by who KOed who earlier. There is far too much noise here to isolate the greatest force from men who hit like tanks-who is more aggressive, more cautious, feeling out or confounded temporarily by style (Foreman, briefly, with Norton),; & of course who is more effective at landing clean blows, great combinations, higher volume, etc...Shavers went for broke with little art, but amazing power. Certainly hit the hardest for anyone who was no more than ~ 210 in his prime, & maybe the hardest ever.

More quotes on his power on this great boxing forum:
http://www.ajdugger.com/forum.html#nabble-td4587667

Louis was maybe the greatest & most accurate HW combination puncher ever, hit very hard, but I would estimate about the same as Dempsey & Frazier in absolute force.

I buy the conventional wisdom that Foreman would beat peak Frazier too. Bad style match up for Smoke. Also Foreman was a rusty basket case against Lyle, still mightb have had him our earlier if one round was not erroneously called at 2 minutes.

Tua might give Foreman a hellacious fight, but he tended to lose his most crucial fights, & hated body punches. Prime & comeback Foreman I favor, but post Ali 1st career Foreman might lose to Tua.

 

Foreman put guys on ***** street with clipping punches. He lifted Frazier off his feet with an uppercut. Devestating power in both hands.

Tua couldn't put Rahman down.

 

George would slam this guy like a yo yo!

 

i don't know about that,Leonard
said tommy was much stronger then he was.