Who is more powerful- David Tua or George Foreman

Tua hit harder with single shots (or more specifically with his left hook) and was probably more powerful in a static powerlifter sense, but Foreman was able to make his strength count more in the boxing ring, and was more capable of consistently hurting you over the course of a fight. Tua was always a one punch turnaround guy, immense one punch knockout power but liable to be outboxed or have his punch power negated by those smart enough to keep him from getting into punching range. Foreman could hurt you with glancing blows, and was more adept at landing his shots than Tua ever was.

 

Succinctly put. One thing I'll add is that Foreman would be more likely to land heavy shots than Tua would, who tended to only throw his killer left when he was in a premium position to land it. Foreman was a lot less picky.

 

Tua was definitely a harder puncher than Shavers. Not sure what you're basing that on, unless it's those fruity quotes that everyone always brings up.

Tua routinely turned fights around that he was losing wide by catching his opponent clean late in the fight and finishing them off. Shavers routinely lost fights he was winning by failing to finish his opponents off after hurting or knocking them down early. In other words they were able to withstand his power. Very few fighters were able to withstand Tua's power once he hit them clean.

Try finding a fight in Tua's prime where his opponent was knocked down and wasn't stopped shortly after. You won't because it never happened. And bear in mind many of those opponents were winning on the scorecards and relatively unscathed before Tua finished them off. His power was the very definition of game changing.

 

Given that, who do you think hit Holmes harder, Shavers or Tyson? The answer should be obvious.

 

Prime Foreman would beat Tua because he had an excellent jab and the height and strength to push Tua off before he had a chance to get comfortably in range. Wouldn't look anything like the first Frazier fight however. Tua's grill was too tough to get put down early by Foreman, and he tended to go into a shell when he felt an opponent could seriously hurt him (wouldn't help him in the fight of course, but would help him last the distance). Foreman would win a wide decision I'd wager.

 

Agreed, this is why Tua was more accurate he tried to pick his punches while Foreman was more than happy to rain hell down the second he thought he landed a good shot.

MagnaNasakki would be the perfect person to ask who was stronger.

 

Thats why I say it would be similar to what George did to Smoke..

 

To be fair to Tua he was also very good at throwing shots at an opponent once he had him hurt, and generally finished them off when he did so. It was just during the course of a fight where he'd shut down, just plod around the ring bobbing his head from side to side and pumping out a short jab every so often with no real rhyme or reason to his game. Foreman would throw junk punches even when he wasn't in much of a position to land them, in the hope that the general battering he was administering to your entire body would eventually break you down. That's more what I meant, not so much that Tua lacked finishing skills, but that he lacked an overall consistent offensive attack.

I'm not Magna, but I recall him saying something like Foreman would numb your whole face with any shot he threw, whilst Tua would buzz you like crazy and give you terrible headaches afterwards. This more or less corresponds to how I imagine it would feel like to be hit by either man, judging by the effects their shots had on their opponents. Foreman seemed to numb you whilst Tua seemed to scramble your brains. Distinctly unpleasant either way.

 

Foreman.

 

I don't see how the two fights are similar TBH. Tua didn't bend at the waist like Frazier did, and tended to tuck his chin in a big better meaning he tended to take punches on the side of the head and was a mite less prone to getting hit with uppercuts. I also think it's fair to say he had a better chin than Frazier. He was only ever dropped once at the tailend of his professional career despite a lifetime of fighting huge punchers. Saying that, he tended to get put into a shell if he started feeling your shots. He didn't have Frazier's tenacity or never-say-die attitude, which would physically keep him in the fight more, but not give him the chances to turn things around as well.

I don't doubt that Foreman would beat him, but he'd beat him by keeping him at bay with his jab and double arm push while battering him to the arms and side of the head with power shots. Tua would shut down mentally, I think, or get discouraged when he couldn't land his killer left with frequency.

 

Foreman.

 

"prime" Foreman was dehydrated and would actually be a few pounds lighter than a prime Tua.
Since Tua is shorter he would have had less bonemass (shorter bones), so more weight remains for muscle (and fat), Tua would "outpush" Foreman if they would push each other.
The dehydration wasn't good for Foreman his chin either, nor his stamina.

It all depends on if he can get Tua in a shell for 12/15 rounds.

 

what a misguided love affair you have with Frazier in my opinion :think

Your saying that because Frazier was tko'ed by George in the second round but finished that fight on his feet it meant something ? I find that a silly comment considering how Foreman pounded on Frazier knocking him off his feet and all over the ring in that fight. Frazier could of been the TOUGHEST fighter going then or now, however, being TOUGH dont mean much when in against Beasts like Foreman that are so much bigger and hit so much harder. Frazier was small comparatively to George and most of the TOP HEAVYs. The truth he did so damned well beating the crap out of most of the Heavy's shows what a awesome fighter he was overall. Regardless of how truthfully TOUGH Smokin Joe was, Frazier could not deal with Foremans POWER, end of STORY. As well his handspeed only compared to the fastest levels, kinda SUCKED. Tough as nails? Sure he was, no doubt. Hell of a left hook? Sure his left hook was great. One of or the best left hooks ever? Yes for sure. The BEST left hook EVER? Not even close. As good as Tua's left hook? Not even close. Tua had some of the BEST one punch power ever to enter a boxing ring. As well his left hook was short and fast. His problem was his RANGE sucked. Thus against bigger longer fighters his power could be nullified. I think that Tua could have had more POWER in his short left hook than Foreman had in his best punch. That said, Foreman had unreal all around power witch was much more effective than Tua because of Foremans size and length etc's.

Head to Head i would probably pick Foreman to beat Tua by UD 12. I dont think Tua would find it easy to unload on big george due to Foremans power jab and overall strength and style. I think that Tua would be able to push big george around somewhat. However, i dont think Tua could push him around enough to bully George and get him so out of position he could KO him. I simply think that George would push Tua around alot and Tua would push George around alot draining both of their power. Tua's CHIN was GRANITE. It really was something special. Nobody that i recall DENTED Tua's chin with ONE SHOT power? Dented it as far as Tua being so HURT that he no longer was DANGEROUS and still in the fight. Maybe late in his career someone pounded him out with multy shots, i am not sure if he did or is doing the trail horse gate keeper thing ? In his prime I recall Tua getting hit with some very clean shots walking right through them time and again against more than a few very hard hitters. Thus i dont see Foreman walking through Tua, Tua was a TANK with a CHIN. I see Foreman winning a UD decision against Tua mainly because i see Foreman respect Tua's power and his chin and choosing to keep winning rounds rather than trying to take Tua out. If Big George went all out against Tua trying to knock Tua out from the get go i see Tua having a far greater chance of connecting with that short left that is usually to short to REACH the TALLER fighters. Then i see Big George getting STUNNED and choosing not to try to knock Tua out if Big George was lucky enough to survive getting stunned as we all know Tua is a brutal finisher if and when he had someone hurt.

Big George in his young PRIME was a STUPID BOXER. His comeback was ALL about him FIGHTING the way that he SHOULD of FOUGHT in his PRIME. So much so that his comeback was pretty damned successful when compared to his PRIME. Big George in his YOUTHFUL PRIME didnt PACE himself, he assumed NOBODY could take his POWER because nobody had been able to take his power. If he hit you and you dared to hit him back he would get lost in the MACHISMO and go for BROKE. As he was so successful with this reckless style always coming out on top all the way to the top, well once he got to the TOP he only knew how to go for BROKE. Ali, saw this AHEAD of time. Thus Ali, used this against Big George and MENTALLY destroyed him in the process. Ali, allowed Big George to go for broke against him while EXPERTLY playing POSSUM. Thus Ali is not CAUGHT in the MACHISMO of their MATCH but is PRETENDING that he is caught in it. Thus rather than RUN Ali allows Foreman to keep TEEING off on him with countless power shots that were all powerful as well as very reckless and not very accurate. Rather than stand toe to toe with Foremans power trying to trade with him , Ali, focused on SURVIVING Big George's POWER RESERVEs. Ali did this PERFECTLY, not once before that FIGHT turned did Ali DARE to try to start TRADING with Big George. Yes Ali, got in many a quick counter punch before George ran out of steam but Ali was focused on DEFENSE so much that it was these quick shots that kept pissing George off so much that he just did not slow down thinking that Ali would fold up sooner or later like all the others. Each time Ali would hit Big George with one of these short quick counter shots, Ali would PRETEND that he was MOST TERRORFIED of George then he was by MOCKING George when he connected with one of these quick counters. Most fighters when getting bombed out and FINALLY getting a SOLID shot in on the one that is bombing them out, well most fighters will by nature REACT by expressing the body language of , "YEAH I JUST HURT YOU!" in a DEFENSIVE AGGRESSIVE show of bravado. Eye CONTACT is how this is usually DELIVERED to ONEs opponent. Eye Contact of a PERSONAL NATURE that lasts only for a split second or two. As soon as the bell rang Ali kept doing this to Foreman in a OVER the TOP WAY. Ali was aware that the shots that he hit Foreman with in these early rounds were all shots with great speed but LITTLE POWER. Ali, however, taunts George after each of these shots telling him that Ali just hurt him. Big George knows inside he is not hurt, however, Ali is ACTING to the CROWD like he just HURT George. Thus Big George not want crowd to believe Ali's DELUSIONs of reality and continues his onslaught upon Ali cranking it up even MORE to teach Ali not to remain CONFIDENT while having the crap beatin out of him. By the time that Big George figured out Ali was NOT as HURT and beaten down as he had lead Foreman to believe the fight was OVER. Ali CHANGED in a instant from a persona of being GROUND DOWN while trying to fight for his life to a PERSONA of "JUST JOKING!!!" , Ali, then having been CONSERVING ENERGY from the get go has Big George right where he wanted him. In the middle of the fight with NO POWER left. Ali then simply picked Foreman to peices and George knew he was done as soon as Ali revealed EXACTLY how much ENERGY/POWER that Ali "really" had left in his tank.

When Foreman made his comeback he had a goal, to BOX SMARTER. He did and he was pretty amazing in his comeback considering his age. To me it showed how much TRUE POWER Foreman always had. Must be tough being that powerful and not letting it take control of YOU rather than vice versa.

In a fantasy match up of Tua against Smokin Joe i see Tua eating Smoking Joe alive personally. Right or Wrong, lol, thats what i see. For as bulky as Tua was his handspeed was great. Way faster than Frazier. Plus i think Tua's chin was better than Foremans chin regardless of what others may fume. I think Foremans chin was actually better than some give him credit for as he did have a excellent chin overall. Even late in the game his chin was really great. However, Tua's chin was freaky.

 

Tua's left hook is harder but that is about it

Foremans jab, uppercuts, straight punches all seem to be more powerful

 

I think tua was more explosive but foreman was more powerful and stronger very close though