Who is more powerful- David Tua or George Foreman

Anyone picking Tua doesnt have a clue. Tua couldn't KO anyone when he stepped up to the big time (Lewis,Byrd,Ibeabuchi) and Tua was only known for his "power". Decent fighter but he was a journeymen. Foremans power was there at the top level for everyone to see Frazier,Norton etc

 

That was due to stylistic limitations, Mr Cluesome, not lack of power.

Shaves generally struggled with anyone at the top level as well.

 

I see Foreman as more powerful and harder hitter. You gotta be in position to land and Foreman landed against the greatest heavyweight (and arguably chin) in history whereas Tua barely laid a glove on Lennox Lewis - especially after tasting Lewis' right hand.

So I'd say against a snapshot of the top 30 fighters of both eras Foreman wins probably 25+ fights with 20+ KO and Tua does well to win 20 with 15+.

In a direct match-up - Foreman is all wrong for Tua. KO 6

 

Might be true seeing how Foreman punched was especially effective against shorter opponents.

 

Of course Foreman would probably beat Tua in a direct match up. Larry Holmes and Muhammad Ali would beat him as well. Doesn't have any bearing on their respective punching power. Being able to hit someone consistently and being a harder hitter are unrelated. Lennox, Tyson and Wlad were all capable of stopping a better quality of opponent than Tua because they were more skilled fighters with the better set of tools for landing their shots. Punch for punch, however, I can't think of anyone who could throw a harder single shot than David Tua, and do so time and again when the chips were down. His knockouts of Moorer and Ruiz alone would merit him a place among any top five punchers list, but the fact that he has a whole slew of similar looking knockouts knockouts puts him in my mind at number one, if anyone should be put there (certainly not Shavers).

 

Shavers? What does Shavers have to do with Tua vs Foreman?.

Due to style limiation? Tua had more then a walking mummy like Foreman,as soon as Foreman hit them the opponent felt it. Stop talking crap. Tua was a powerful but journeyman hitter.

 

Exactly. If the single-shot punching power of Foreman and Tua were measured on a heavy bag, It wouldn't surprise me if Tua's power was superior. And I can say that without bringing up quality of opposition, physical dimensions, career record, etc., because those things would have nothing to do with the posed question. Foreman seems to have a mythical, other-worldly quality about his punching power that makes him automatically start out 10 points ahead of any fighter that he's compared with in terms of punching power.

 

Quite a bit, considering we're talking about who was the harder hitter (or specifically who was more "powerful") not who would beat whom. I was pointing out that the ability to beat great fighters doesn't necessarily have much of a bearing on how hard you hit.

Stylistically Foreman was crude but still had the sorts of skills that would have given him a good chance against Tua, namely a great jab and firm command of distance. Tua was routinely shut down by anyone with a more that decent jab and boxed into a shell by above average power hitters except in the case of Ibeabuchi, which was something of an anomaly compared to the rest of his fights.

However, calling Tua a "journeyman hitter" has to go down as one of the dumbest statements of the year, and I'm talking about this year, not 2012. If there was any fighter that was capable of turning around a fight he was losing with one or two punches it was David Tua. Whether he'd land those punches was another thing entirely, but to call him a journeyman hitter is absolutely missing chromosome stupid.

Show me a journeyman half as powerful as Tua and I'll eat my pants.

 

na foreman just had a weird type of power, he didn't even look like he was throwing real punches, just pushing them out but they seemed to do so much damage, foreman fought a higher class of opponent, had a greater ko % and let's face it, I know we're just talking about 1 punch power here but foreman wasn't exactly an accumilation puncher.

I could actually see an argument for tua being faster but no way as powerful, not imo at least.

 

I think Tyson may have hit harder than tua, not much in it really, tyson just had so much more speed and angles. I think people forget how hard he hit.

 

haha yeah, no way tua was a journeyman hitter. I have just been watching espn's top 10 best heavyweights of all time, and holyfield said foreman hit him harder than anyone else did, he said at one point he was hit so hard he thought he knocked all of his teeth out with one punch.

chuvalo describes the styles well when he says, fraizer was like a motor car coming at you at a few hundred miles an hour, it's going to do some serious damage to you and you will struggle to get out of the way, foreman is an express train coming towards you at 50mph, even if you come at full steam ahead with the force of a motor car yur going to get crumpled up but if you have the speed and use the right game you can easily derail it.

that was more or less chuvalo's description of foreman and fraizer. i agree, would not advice any1 to play foremans game

 

Ill make it easier, Give me one credible opponent he KO'd..He couldn't KO a past it Lewis,Rahman comes off two brutal beatings and Tua still couldn't knock him out, Ibeabuchi took his shots all night long,Byrd took some mean combos and just strugged them off..So again tell me a credible opponent he really really hurt or KO'd because I can't? Michael Moorer don't count he was past it and a total head case but I'm sure you'll find someone in Tuas 50+ fight career.

 

John Ruiz.

 

Who else? And how long had Ruiz been pro..4years?? lol
If it had been beyond 2000+ you might have had a credible opponent(Ruiz)

 

You asked for one credible opponent. Where did you say it had to be beyond 2000?