Who is more skilled: Canelo or Usyk?

Spot on . . .

except for this :

What kind of a brain fart is this? How in the middle of a perfectly reasonable statement does this come out?

You know this point makes no sense since you talk about how he cleaned out the Cruisers in spectacular fashion. How does that have anything to do with who has the most natural talent?

The Cruisers Usyk has fought are nowhere near as skilled as the fighters at lower weights that Canelo has fought. It's much easier to look spectacular against less skilled fighters with low level punch resistance. Canelo has looked spectacular throughout his career just not as dominant as Usyk because he's fighting top level guys. To use a baseball analogy, Usyk is like a minor league baseball player setting HR records, while Canelo is grinding out World Series wins year after a year against the best players in the world.

Tramell, as spot on as the rest of your post was, for you to claim that Usyk has more natural talent than Canelo is one of the most ridiculous arguments I've ever heard.

 

punch resistance?

That's your opinion.

Try reading yours!

Skill is what is gained. Talent is what comes natural.
Im ok with who Canelo fought.
You are ok with who Usyk fought I am not ok with it. '

He did what Mike Tyson did..cleaned out his division. Now was it booming with punch resistant fighters?
Booming with fighters who were fearless or fearful?
Did he clean out a division with great footwork?

Did Usayk clean out HOfers? Did he clean out ATG's? Did Usyk clean out a great footwork division? A punch resistant division?
Did Usyk clean out power punchers? Did he clean out sweet science fighters?

Or did he clean out whoever was there?

Your comment is not the most ridiculous I've heard, but it is standard typing based on emotions of what U believe as opposed to what you proved. Bravo!

 

& for the record. Holy cleaned out the CW division too, but never lamented he could have ruled a looongg time but that wasn't going to get him the fame he desired.

To which is why I call Holy my fav-dog of my era only mentioning his 1st fight with Qawi @ CW as a testimony to his soon to be greatness. He beat some good fighters at cruiser, nothing worthy of saying he was a skilled mofo for cleaning them out in spectacular fashion. If he wants greatness- he was supposed to swab the deck with them!'

Like Usyk Holy cleaned out who was there. Not a list of whose who.

Usyk IMO like Holy proved how talented they were as cruisers, so to gained a wealth of knowledge they have to go where the trouble is. Where they can'tt run thru boxers easily. Guys @ HW who could take a cruiser's best.
Natural HWs thus forcing both to find other ways to win.
(Again, only Holy's 12th fight-that was a gut check war with one of the best at cruiser. deserves to be in the annals of great matchup resulting in a war. I don't know who was Usyk's gut check with a proven great of his era. Huck?


Canelo hasn't cleaned out any division. He isn't the fastest, hardest hitter, but has IMO a B+ grade across the board. he beat some old lions that were shot, some high risk low reward counter punchers who can stink out a win. He's faced heavy punchers, fast reflexive fighters to which equates to a very experienced boxer.
Doesn't mean he can beat everyone he faces, but it does mean -I'm stumped to find a style Usyk has taken on that Canelo hasn't. Uysk has plenty more to see.
Aint nothing in Cruiser he's had that can prepare him for a wily Fury. Footwork, clowns & quick for a big dude.
What punch has he ever taken that can prepare him for the bronzed bomber. What fighter has he been in the trenches & clinches with that can prepare him for Joshua when he wants to jab-n-clinch. What fighter that can take the punch & start a brawl like Ruiz. & these are just regular to above average HW's, not the best the HW division has seen.

Until,
Canelo=more skills than Usyk. IMO hands down! Canelo has been hit hard stayed up. Outboxed by PBF, but never waivered in trying. slumbering to get thru.

Too bad they are divisions a part to prove who has more heart -who can stand the fire, who can fight on an empty tank. we will never know, we just speculate.

 

Usyk; question not even valid. A bit like asking who's cheerier, Bob Ross or Morrissey?

 

People answering Canelo: try and understand, the question is 'who's more skilled' - that doesn't mean 'who's the overall most effective fighter'?' ...on that question I would also disagree with picking Canelo, but it wouldn't be utterly ridiculous, as is saying he's more skilled than Usyk.

 

It was ok I ranked him number one over Loma based on activity

 

Canelo is more skilled Usyk more athleticly gifted

 

I've said for a few years now that Usyk is the best p4p fighter on God's green Earth. He's getting up a little in age and hasn't had a big fight in a while, but the Usyk who won the 200 tournament was the man.

 

I personally agree but his athleticism had something to do with it

 

He lands power shots

 

I might give Canelo the slightest of edges in body punching, but with the qualification that he's only effective at close range. When he goes lunging after guys he's chasing, his body shots are embarrassingly bad. (see: the Lara or Mayweather fights)

 

I just don't think he's that good. I'm even lower than most people on Canelo. have him fight a guy with some skills and speed and that isn't 87 years old or a walking drained corpse and everybody would see him get his head boxed off. Amir Khan was taking him to school before he become overmatched with Canelo's brute size.

 

As every euro he lands more jabs