Who is rated higher ? Foreman or Frazier ?

well you sommed it up yourself mostly. h2h george always wins from joe on any list. and p4p i think george also rates higher. even though moorer wasn't the greatest champ there ever was. beating him and becoming champ some 20 years after the first time you become champ is a great accomplishment

 

I think if you look at it objectively, you'd have to have Foreman ahead of Frazier on any list.

 

I find it hard to be objective on this one. Frazier was the superior fighter by far in my opinion. Logic says it should be Foreman because of his h2h success and superior longevity, but I just can't do it. I'm saying Frazier, through sheer bloody mindedness.

 

Head to head & legacy-wise I'd have to go with George.

 

I think this is an extremely tricky one. I have Frazier higher on my list right now but I don't know. I've given it a lot of thought. No right answer to me. I go back and forth on it.

 

Had Foreman never launched a comeback, involving the gaining of a second world title, then I would have had Frazier as being rated higher... Foreman's destruction of both Joe and Ken Norton were huge, but Frazier had the claim of a longer reign and an unmatched victory over a prime Muhammad Ali. He also never lost to Jimmy Young for whatever that's worth, and has less padding on his record than Foreman did in his first career.. However, if we ad on Foreman's claim to winning the title against an undefeated lineal champion in his prime, when being a record breaking 45 years of age, then I think he surpasses Frazier in the ratings.

 

I'd say Foreman's H2H wins and late career comeback win out over Frazier's superior performances against Ali.

 

Foreman #4
Frazier #5

Foreman has longevity, "more" bigger wins, good enough depth, better and more competitive loses, and is the oldest man to ever win a HW Championship. He's a 2 time HW champ. Frazier doesn't have enough defenses nor longevity to defy this. His Ali win is a big part of his greatness.

 

I consider Foreman if only because his achievement during his comeback is unprecedented and Michael Moorer is a good scalp by anyone's standards. That in addition to blowing away what I perceived to have been a prime Joe, then I rate Foreman higher but only narrowly.

 

I agree with your rating, but not the sentence that I high lighted. Foreman was beaten in more decisive fashion by Muhammad Ali, as well as by Jimmy Young.. Frazier only lost to Foreman and Ali ( one of whom he defeated. )

 

Not to put words in Prince Pete's mouth, but perhaps the Ozzy was suggesting Foreman was never dominated, blasted out of there so effortlessly like a peak Joe Frazier was. I could be wrong.

 

I believe that Joe, at his best from 1969 to 1971, would have beaten more of history's other great heavyweights with his Armstrong reminiscent hustle, heart and swarming. Nine title defenses between Mathis and Foreman is a very respectable number within the framework of heavyweight division history, even if they weren't all historically first rate challengers.