Who is the 3rd best heavyweight of all time?

It can also be one even if they're an actual authority if there is a lack of consensus, if the claim is subjective or the expert in question is biased all of which appy here.

 

I will go further, and say that the only thing that holds Johnson back from being top two, is a win over Jeffries or Langford closer to their primes.

 

I think Lewis, Foreman, Liston and Ali all probably ko Usyk too, or at least beat him , but he’d be competitive with them all. I think Holyfield and Usyk would both beat Joshua every time to be honest, I just think him and Wilder in particular are so poor. Fury at least has a bit more boxing skill , when he could keep off the takeaways a bit.

 

Opinions are subjective, even expert opinions. Consensus doesn't mean everyone agrees. Dundee's opinion is no more or less biased than any other famed trainer's opinion.

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Remove Dundee. If Richie Giachetti proffered his opinion on a boxer, it would carry more weight than the opinion of an average layperson. It would be subjective. It likely wouldn't be a universal opinion. It might be biased, but it would carry weight, and it wouldn't be an example of fallacious logic.

 

A problem i have with Wlad is, I’m not sure if he even was as good as his brother, which makes it difficult to put him in to a top ten.

 

Ali, Louis and Marciano with Holmes,Lewis and Foreman next.

 

I'm not sure most people in the top ten would beat Wlad does that mean he should be number 1?

 

I think they somehow felt like they didn't get their money out of the grill they purchased. Gotta give em a little bit of a break if they got a bad grill.

 

Louis beat Schmeling, Ali beat Norton, Lewis beat McCall, and Wlad had a reign of about twenty defenses after losing to Sanders.

Foreman had four chances to win heavyweight titles counting Morrison. He only deserved the first title shot and the rest were gifted to him. He also had a lay up for a title shot given to him against Young, but he lost and ruined his career instead. Despite winning two of these title shots, the second occurring against a vulnerable and undersized champion, he failed to put together anything resembling a respectable title reign and quickly got exposed each time.

Yes, he ranks behind guys who put in double digit wins in title fights and guys who were the king of their era.

 

I’m always torn between Lewis and Marciano. Went Marciano here. Strange thing about the sport you can make an argument for anyone 3-12-15

 

Let’s see anybody else come back in their 40s and do what George did, it means nothing ?

George might lack a long reign as champion but completely destroyed the top contenders until he fought Ali.
He might have lost to Young but wouldn’t get wiped out by guys like Sanders.
What’s Wlad’s best win? He had good longevity himself but he didn’t beat anybody great or close to it.
It’s easy to discredit almost anybody in boxing, we all have our favourites and guys we didn’t like so much.

 

Foreman would've been getting his ass kicked by Holmes and Tyson if he tried to win titles in the 80s. The guy quit boxing right when Holmes and a formidable appearing Tate won titles.

Foreman beat one guy in one fight (Frazier 1) who was ahead of Wlad's comp.

 

Norton too
And Prime Foreman is all wrong for Mike , even old Foreman would have been a problem for him, Wlad would have been killed

 

We finally agree on something.

noneck and Kamikaze are just wanking each other off for a good portion of this thread.