In that case I'll throw out Wilfred Benitez, youngest world champion ever, champion at three different weights, and holds wins over HOF Roberto Duran.
:huh LaMotta is not even that high in my All Time Middleweight list. Marciano is just a common Champ that defended his title six times (many times against man that were old) and that retired early to keep his undefeated 49-0 record, in an era were most fighters fought 70-80 fights.
1. Robinson 2. Armstrong 3. Greb 4. Duran 5. Ali If Mayweather were to retire tomorrow, he'd certainly be Top 50, and could be rated as high as #30 or so, depending upon the criteria one uses.
LaMotta and Marciano would each be lucky to make top 3 in their respective divisions, let alone all-time.
My Top10: 1. Ray Robinson 2. Henry Armstrong 3. Roberto Duran 4. Sam Langford 5. Harry Greb 6. Willie Pep 7. Ezzard Charles 8. Muhammad Ali 9. Ray Leonard 10. Archie Moore 11. Joe Louis 12. Pernell Whitaker 13. Julio Cesar Chavez 14. Marvin Hagler 15. Roy Jones Just missing: Griffith, Gans, B. Leonard.
I no longer agree that there is one. I think HW should be seperate, and that era's should be seperate as well, because no one in this era will be able to have a resume close to SRR or Greb or the guys of the past. Politics, multiple titles have skewed accomplishments.
IMO, Hagler and Duran are the most complete fighters ever. Hagler was also very dominant in the Middleweight division. He deserves to be in the Top15, which are the really greatest ever. Emile Griffith, however, could be switched for Joe Gans or Benny Leonard. MM (Money Mayweather) is in my Top30.