Who is the best American heavyweight right now?

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In which countries do the best athletes go to boxing?

 

Good. Hopefully the USA continues to fail whilst English nephilim monsters job your hype.

 

In other countries athletes have less options to get paid for their athletic endeavors.
It’s either Futbol / soccer or Lace them as up as a fighter.

in USA specifically the heavyweights are becoming extinct
Because of the lucrative options the athletic Big men have over here.

 

Which other countries? specifically referring to HWs.

 

Literally Every other country
That doesn’t have NBA or NFL franchises in their major cities.
(Specifically - the rest of the world outside of the USA)

 

Ruiz v Miller was awful.Two out of shape Elephants.Ruiz still had a future in the game if he could find the discipline to get in shape,cut he couldn't, so **** him,he's now a gatekeeper,along with Miller.
Anderson at least was in shape .
Bakole is another Joe Joyce slow as molasses with no head movement,he will get found out soon enough.

 

Sonny Conto

 

Yep, considering Miller's arguably just established himself as America's top heavyweight, it ain't looking good.

 

I wasn't aware that there were sporting leagues around the world that gobbled up all the potential 6'4"+ 250lb+ athletes like the NFL and NBA do.

There are more legitimate athletes in American college football alone than there are in several countries. If 10% of them chose boxing instead of football, America would own half the top 10 in most weight classes.

 

Lmao wow. You actually believe this?

The UK for example has more than twice as many players just representing their national (England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland) rugby union teams than they have pro HW boxers. And those are just the best players selected from entire leagues that exist there. THEN bearing in mind theres ANOTHER form of rugby (rugby league) that also has its own leagues and national teams there. The UK also has the current UFC HW champion, one of the best strongmen in Eddie Hall, and although its not really popular there are pro basketball and hockey leagues there too.

Basketball is a big factor in parts of Southern and Eastern Europe. Hockey is very popular in parts of Northern and Eastern Europe and Russia. Rugby is taking plenty of HW athletes from the UK, Ireland, France, Italy, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa. Wrestling (the olympic kind) gets tons of HWs mainly from Eastern Europe, Russia and the Stans. Kickboxing and MMA also get their share of HWs.

The idea that America is the only place that has multiple sports is ****ing hilarious. The NFL is essentially a domestic sports league btw, nobody else plays that ****. If they did you can guarantee within a decade or two Americans would be doing the same mental gymnastics to rationalize why they no longer dominate that too.

Read above.

 

Oh no! I didn't think about rugby!

Have you ever watched an NFL game? Have you ever seen a 6'6" 310 lb. man engage in 60 car crashes over the course of 3 hours, get a few days off then go back to work? Ever met an NFL Defensive End? The AVERAGE size is 6'5" 275...so essentially Martin Bakole. Ever wondered why there are more cases of CTE in American football players than retired boxers? There's a reason why the NFL has to wear protective equipment and rugby players don't.

You put those guys in a gym at 10 years old with a decent trainer and the boxing scene looks a lot different.

 

There are a lot of factors at play, an important one one being the Klitschko era's role in demoralising the American heavyweight scene. 11.5 years of "Russian/commie" dominance, Americans hitherto unopposed, getting schooled and KO'd one after another by those giant Soviets, undermined their will to fight while emboldening everyone else. More importantly, K2 dominance helped to seriously damage boxing commercially in the U.S., especially at HW. The Klitschkos fought a lot of American heavyweights so the era wasn't THAT bad for America, at least they were finishing runner up and had previous wins over K2 (Puritty, Byrd, Brewster) but now Americans aren't even in the picture and haven't been since 2021. This is all an extension of being supplanted at the top by Europe. And with Zhang's crushing KO over a shot Wilder (though that doesn't change the optics of it), even the Chinese are better represented at the top!

Seeing Ali, Louis and others end up brain damaged and crippled didn't help; their perverse addiction to fighting or money ironically sapped the warrior spirit of their pugilistic descendants. Safer to go into football. Though football existed in Ali and Holyfield's day too, so it seems like a largely incorrect cope and sour grapes from the "USA! USA! We're No.1!" crowd. The Ring top 10 was already majority non-American by 1999 (I suppose HW boxing was already dog**** at that point haha), when non-American Lewis beat Holyfield. South African Dutchmen produced twice as many Euro-descended HW world champions post-Marciano as America has (let that sink in).

"Liberal democracy" likewise doesn't produce strong men: look at the most successful European boxing nations per capita: Irish Travellers, neo-Soviets, Apartheid South Africans, 30's-40's Germany, early-mid 20th century America. All racist, sexist, homophobic, authoritarian etc. etc. etc. America has got fat and soft. Their obsession with guns as a symbol of masculinity also doesn't encourage fist-fighting, nor does their lack of socialised medicine!

The comical racial supremacy and conspiracism of the LDBC and others has put too much pressure on African-American heavyweights. Anderson saw what happened to Wilder and knew that sooner or later, he was going to get brutally KO'd by Eurasian Jalolov or whoever. He knew he would likely get the Wilder treatment from his own "community" and wanted no part of it. Now his career is probably finished. The ultra-prideful Wilder was treated like a race traitor ("Wilder a bum! He ain't invited to the cookout no moe!") because he lost a boxing match to a taller, longer, 3 stone heavier opponent lol; it's toxic, self-sabotaging, stupid behaviour but I suppose they can't help it. They worship the so-called "glory days" so the likes of Anderson have less incentive to even try their best as they will never be considered as good/great. American HW nostalgism is a kind of psychological "necrophilia".

 

Nobody should know who Guidry and Chaney are. They are barely club fighters legitimized by the pathetic WBA.

 

Unfortunately yes. I wasted many hours back in the day trying to get into it. Its a ****ing terrible sport. Great athletes but unbelievably boring to watch.

Its all woulda, coulda, shoulda talk. The reality is America has almost a quarter of all pro HWs on the planet, reality is also that nowhere else on the planet prioritizes boxing for their athletic talent either. Jared Anderson was supposed to be the "he started boxing at a young age" guy and he just got his ass beat. At some point it will maybe sink in that America is actually less than 5% of the worlds population and doesnt have some God given right to "dominate" everything.

And like I said, the irony is the NFL, which gets held up as the benchmark for athleticism in America, and is supposedly the place where most of the would be boxing champs go, is like a larger scale version of Aussie Rules Football in the sense that its massive in the country that invented it, but nobody else is making any real effort to be good at it. I wonder how many of these 6'6 310lb monsters would be coming from the other 95% of the world if they cared about it? and then what would it be? Americas best athletes are in Cornhole?