Who Is The Best Black Heavyweight Never To win the Crown?

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  1. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For some reason i feel compelled to nominate Ken Norton...

    But not compelled to mention old stager George Godfrey

    I suppose Jimmy Young deserves some consideration a tough guy to beat in his short prime..
     
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  3. Mendoza

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    Jackson won the British Empire title which had no color line, so you can say he did get a title shot. It just wasn't vs John L Sullivan. He also fought Jim Corbett to a draw in a high stakes match.

    I would say Langford for sure is #1.

    3 of the 5 were in their prime when Jack Johnson was champion. You could argue Wills did enough by 1914 to have been a good choice for Johnson as well.
     
  4. Ragamuffin

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    Ken Norton was a champ wasn't he, although it was bestowed upon him, rather than him actually winning it in the ring. He went on to lose it in his first defence against Larry Holmes.
     
  5. mcvey

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    The Corbett Jackson fight was not a draw it was a No contest after 61 rounds. Corbett would never agree to fight Jackson again anywhere but south of the Mason Dixon line.

    Who did Wills beat in1914 to justify a title shot ? He was beaten by both McVey and Langford and Langford kod him.
     
  6. Jear

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    Larry Gains
    Jimmy Bivins
    Worth a mention
     
  7. mcvey

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    :good
     
  8. janitor

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    Jackson, Langford, and Wills are the obvious standouts.

    I think that Langford was the greatest of the three, but I would not necessarily say that he was the best.

    I would say that Jackson was the most likely to have held the title given a chance, and Wills the least likely, based purely on the competition.
     
  9. Mendoza

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    So in other words, Corbett as Champion offered Jackson a fight in Jacksonville or New Orleans, and Jackson balked.

    Peter Jackson had his chance for a title shot you buffoon. The challenger seldom picks the venue. Case closed on this one.

    As for Wills, he has " Newspaper wins " over Langford and Jeanette even though the fights were called draws. In hindsight he would have been a fine pick for Johnson in 1914.
     
  10. N_ N___

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    Ike ibeabuchi was the best.
     
  11. Mendoza

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    Bivins worth a mention? Back to the old Joe Louis thread?
     
  12. janitor

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    Not really.

    You could find half a dozen better names, or more.
     
  13. red cobra

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  14. lufcrazy

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    Langford I'm gonna say.

    Prime for prime I think out of all the black men who never received a title shot, Langford is the best of the bunch.

    Given the right motivation I see it an almost guarantee he lands the fight ending shot.

    Interestingly enough all the great Black's would have been huge underdogs

    Does Langford ever beat Johnson?
    Does Jackson ever beat Sullivan?
    Does Wills ever beat Dempsey?
    Does Bivins ever beat Louis?

    I'd day none would be favoured but someone probably would land the right shot and out of those Langford is most likely.
     
  15. mcvey

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    If they are called draws they cannot be NWS that should be a given, even to a moron like your self. In 1914 Wills lost to both McVey and Langford ,he did not justify a title shot in that year.