Who is the best fighter throughout history you pick Marciano to beat?

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  1. Berlenbach

    Berlenbach Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So if Wlad and Lewis were hit by men weighing less than 200lb, their chins would be more proven?
     
  2. Big Red

    Big Red Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If they fought and beat the men that Marciano did without getting knocked out then yes their chins would be more proven. Myself I think that Marciano had a far better chin but your entitled to your opinion.
     
  3. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    An excellent post, that should be directed solely at the less than half dozen Marciano lunatics on this board that are as ridiculous as those pathetic religious freaks who try to spread their fantasies to to other people like a cancer.

    They waffle on in their cringe worthy style about some invisible sky daddy called god, and these fools talk about a little 185 fighter as if he was superman, another creation of a fantasy driven mind.
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Can you give a serious , educated answer .. this is pure gibberish ..
     
  5. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    "Rocky's career was a perfect storm. He gave it his all, he had the right opposition and he got out at the right time .. he likely would have been brutalized by Louis ten years earlier and destroyed by Liston five years later ... but he wasn't .. he earned what he accomplished in the ring and again, to me , that is top ten standing as an all time great cruiserweight and given the hundreds of men he beats out that is a tremendous accomplishment "

    Top ten is where you are grossly underrating him

    Marciano is a clear cut top 3 cruiser weight of all time. He can't possibly be rated lower than 3rd
     
  6. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Charles Walcott moore were old, but you have to take into consideration how good were these versions that he fought . My estimation despite being old these versions were still better than most heavyweight contenders throughout history and better than quite a few heavyweight champions

    When you take that into consideration then you see why he was so great and why his resume is solid

    At 200lb and under I wouldn't pick a man past present or future over him except Joe Louis
     
  7. Balder

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    Haters can hate all they want .

    Nobody beat Rocky.
     
  8. uncletermite

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    Qawi had hand speed and much better head movement than the rock.Hes also heavier than the rock,and overly short that makes him harder to hit.Rocky at 5'10/5'11 is a sitting duck for the Hw's of any era in comparison.Sometimes being taller would not favor you,and Marciano is an example of why a 5'6/5'7 Qawi is better suited add in his speed factor,hes better than Marciano was when you throw out the ATG lable you would see this.Marciano would not be on Cruiser holy's level,not by a long shot,Qawi was as durable as well,i highly doubt the Rock would be abler to go 6/7 rounds and be winning vs a 240 pound foreman.Qawi also peaked in 1980/1981..he was 33 years old and past his prime in both holyfield fights yet gave a good showing anyway,he most likely beats Evander a few years earlier.
     
  9. Big Red

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    This train of thought and posts all came when the poster named Semus said Marciano had a decent chin for a cruiserweight. Marciano had a great chin at heavyweight and fought the best heavyweights of his time. Yes they were lighter in general but there were larger heavyweights at that time they just were not as good as Wladimir or Lewis. In the future a heavy weight just over 200 pounds and closer to Marcianos dimensions will be champ again. Not that long ago Holyfield a former cruiserweight was showing one of the better chins all time. I am pretty confident that Marciano had a great chin no matter who hit him and would take punches better then a lot of super heavyweights, maybe Vitali had a better chin although he did not get hit that often.
     
  10. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Inapt ****ogy. It wasn't the crouch that troubled Qawi's opponents (who didn't outweigh him, btw); it was the fact that he had great defensive reflexes, head movement, and timing. Marciano doesn't.


     
  11. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Marciano slipped punches very well in his crouch. He bobbed and weaved well, rolled with punches, slipped jabs very well with his upper body movement. See 1955 Moore fight

    Offensively Marciano was levels above Qawi in punching power punch selection finishing ability and unpredictability

    Qawi was not on marcianos level...deal with it


    Qawi never beat skilled boxers on the magnitude of Charles Walcott Moore. Marciano made those fighters miss often and beat them down. When he did get hit by then he recovered quickly and again took charge. Qawi lost to spinks and others
     
  12. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    If Marciano had no skill like some people here say, then master boxers like Walcott Charles and Moore would have easily exposed him. I don't care how old they are, I don't care how much strength power stamina Marciano had..if he had no skill like some say, they would have beaten him easily. They would have outboxed him, won wide unanimous decisions 13 rounds to 2.

    But they didn't, and typically Marciano was ahead on the scorecards vs those men. Must be a reason
     
  13. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    Qawi wasn't on marcianos level as a fighter. Just accept that. And move on.
     
  14. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Never said Qawi was on his level. Unlike some of you guys, I'm fine with admiring a fighter's style without pretending that he was immortal.

    But wait a minute-- are you comparing Marciano's defensive skills to Qawi's? His ability to get inside and outjab bigger, longer men without getting hit? The only way that Marciano was more unpredictable than Qawi was wrt some of his dirty tactics.




     
  15. SuzieQ49

    SuzieQ49 The Manager Full Member

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    I think Qawi had better defense, I really liked qawis head movement. He definitely had better reflexes.

    But I think you vastly underate marcianos defensive ability. It wasn't poor, he made master boxers miss punches

    Are you simply watching the wrong Marciano fights? :huh