Who is the best HW Frank Bruno beats H2H

I don't know about Tate...I'd have to pick Frank on that one. Frank had the capability of landing a heavier punch than Berbick threw in his entire career, and he wasn't entirely slow-handed, either.

Tate might be the best Frank could beat...depends on how much we rate John's original potential (he was becoming mentioned in the same breath as Holmes before the Weaver fight), and what happened (both sorry and sad...with a good chin John could have really made a difference in the WBA imo).

 

It did seem as though John was rushed into yet another tough fight. Should have fought someone like Ocasio or Zanon lol.

 

Henry Cooper
Zora Folley
Cleveland Williams
Ingemar Johannson

 

Scott Frank. But only if he continues his peds and crosses himself 123xs on the ringwalk.

 

I think he’d make every top 10 contender list between 1960-2020. In the 80’s beat faded but still relavent versions of Bugner, Coetzee and Tillis. In the 90s he beat McCall and Coetzer while also giving Lennox Lewis a good fight. There would always be ranked contenders that he could beat in any era.

 

Williams may have been stiff-at least after taking the bullet that caused atrophy of one leg-but he was only heavily muscled for his time.
Today he would be small, but some guys would weigh about the same if they did not have significantly more body fat.

And Bruno would dwarf him.
At about the same height, & Bruno sculpted/with pretty low body fat, he had a good 35 more lbs on him than Williams.
He was just much more heavily muscled.

 

I don't disagree, rather I have a tendency with mythical match-ups to 1. place old timer in new age. then 2. place new timer in old age. I think its unfair to always ask how can an oldie do against a newbie. If fair, then one could respond that for 21 years Williams showed he fought 94 times (80-13-1). Bruno had 45 fights in 14 years--[<--Williams at 14 years was 62-5-1 pr 20+ more fights}

Question if we placed Bruno in the olden days, ---& he has to fight often. No headlining Wembley, Royal Albert Hall. Based on Bruno's record and mental/physiological issues. Would Bruno be as muscular if we put in Williams era? Could he endure an 80 + fight career?

Would it be fair to put the WIlliams that was shot or a primed Williams against Bruno? I'd go prime vs prime, unless we use the shooting victim in Williams to take on Bruno post Tyson? That would be fair.

As far as size BRec has Bruno at 6'3 82 in reach vs Big Cat @ 6'2 80 inch reach. So unless Brec is off, then I can't say Williams dwarfs a man at inch in height taller by saying he is 20-30 or 40 lbs more muscular. Muscles don't win championships, usually it hinders.

Can Bruno in his prime beat Liston? IMO, no he can't. Does Bruno beat the 6'6 Ernie Terrell? 9 losses stopped only twice. Ali clowns Bruno, too bulky, not swift enough nor smart enough. He loses to Ali worse than Williams did. His resume would've also placed him in with Zora Foley, Eddie Machen, George CHuvalo and a brief win period for MAc Foster may have also been a potential foe.

Williams taking on Bruno's resume would've lost to a young Lewis as well. I think he beats Coetzee too, but loses Witherspoon the same way Bruno did. Bruno came out nice, kept a beautiful jab for such a muscular guy- but just as Liston did with Cleveland (endure & wear him out), I think Witherspoon beats Willams same way. Toss up against Carl Williams and Cleveland gets steamrolled by the Tyson that beat Bruno.

 

Thanks for the analyses man. This is what I think...

1) Yes the more modern guys have advantages. I am taking into account what they actually were, but bruno with all those fights might well not do...As well.
It would also be hard to maintain all that muscle. Though he likely could if absolutely dedicated to do so...
He would have been better off, at least if fighting much more often, about 15 lbs. lighter.

2) I used "dwarfed" in an unconventional way. There frames were similar.
I just meant overall size due to all the muscle mass.

3) I have no problems with your predictions. Nobody gets everything right, but those results are all pretty likely!
I would just say it would be hard for Bruno to worse; than Williams vs. Ali...But he would go nowhere, Ali feasted on big stiff guys like that.

 

I agree!

 

Possibly, and just may be, Lennox Lewis...

 

Was it even terms?I heard he was beating up Lewis and on his way to victory when he was caught.

 

1960s ranked heavies he could beat.
Cooper
DeJohn
Miteff
Richardson
Erskine
Jones
Lavorante
Cleroux
Chuvalo
Logan
Mildenberger
Lincoln
Rischer
Ramos
Corletti
Lewis
Hilton
Spencer
Persol

 

Winning the battle of the jabs was a potential key to beating Lewis. Bruno did this in the early going, and Lewis was caught between styles trying to deal with it. Bruno's jab and physical strength caused problems for everyone outside of Tyson, but all of the elite fighters he faced except McCall managed to make adjustments and/or land a bomb when Bruno tired.

If you take away the huge left-hook landed in the 7th, Lewis probably still wins the fight. He had an underrated history of making adjustments when needed and toughing out wins; Mercer and Holyfield II for example, but you could also throw in Tucker, Klitschko and even the Olympics against Bowe. Bruno had a history of falling apart in fights he was either winning or was competitive in. The odds are in Lewis' favour that he would have found a way to win even without what effectively came down to one punch.

When considering Bruno's chances in fantasy fights there are two big issues - 1) His lack of stoppage wins against top-class opposition and 2) His record of tiring badly in tough fights and getting stopped. Even against McCall he flirted with disaster in the last round. The best guys he could beat are those he could stop early, or who wouldn't apply pressure late. Unfortunately most top heavyweights throughout history were pretty durable and hit hard.

 

Oliver McCall

 

See above.