who is the best overall boxer of this five at JWW

well he's earned it with his performances at other weights. Its not like its random

 

Speculation.

I don't think we should rank fighters in certain weight classes based on speculative H2H discussion, we rank them based on the individual achievements of the fighters. Hatton, Pryor, Chavez, and Tsyzu all possess more victories than Pacquiao at 140lbs, and they were all beating quality fighters at championship level.

I think Pryor is close to unbeatable at 140lbs. I've never ever seen someone take the kind of shots he was taking against Arguello, and he didn't even slow down. He barely flinched. It wasn't just the force of the shots, it was how Arguello followed through with his perfect technique, knocking Pryor's head right back, and there was still hardly a reaction. It's pretty chilling to watch. I don't think any other JWW takes those shots from Arguello and stands up. They were home-run, flush straight right hands...and they landed numerous times.

...Sure, Pryor's critics will look at Arguello not carrying his power up but I don't believe that at all. He sparked Rooney, and even though Rooney isn't a great fighter, you don't shut out the lights like that with a single blow unless you pack a wallop for that weight. Arguello could still hit, he just found himself in front of an immovable object that night. It's also a shame how we forget just how well Pryor was performing. His flurries were awesome, every time he threw he seemed to land. Anyone who had that fight even going into the 14th...well...that's insane to me.

 

I don't think you understood the logic at all. Also, you completely dodged the question.

I'm not saying Pac is more accomplished than those guys at 140. I'm saying he's a better fighter. He only had 1 fight at 140 so of course there is no way that he'd be more accomplished wether he's a better fighter or not.

Pac's accomplishments at 140 can't really be used to rate him, since he's only had 1 fight at the weight. You have to use your imagination a little.

 

I'm not ranking them.

I'm just saying that whilst unproven in terms of his alltime standing at 140, I think he would match up quite well with the fighters he's up against here in a fight.:good

 

...Unbelievable.

So because of his success at other weights, we have to assume Pacquiao was the best at JWW. Listen to yourself. He isn't the best at JWW, he isn't the best at 126lbs, and he isn't the best at 135lbs either. I know this might be a hard thing for you to accept, seeing as you've got a massive hard-on for the guy, but like I said to another poster earlier, common sense should be the main focus here, not your celebrity crush.

 

He matches up well based on his sole performance at 140lbs. Yes. :good

 

You're talking to the biggest Arguello nuthugger around here

I love Pryor, and think he'd beat Pac. My2Sense feels differently as he has spotted a weakness in Pryors style against southpaws. I trust his opinion, regardless of whatever he's ranked in this particular thread, so am willing to sit on the fence on Pryor-Pac until I've seen all the evidence.

The Rooney KO is totally insubstantial as I'm sure you'll know, but who are these people saying Arguello didn't carry his weight up? The sheer force of his punches can be seen against Pryor.

 

Exactly. Pac must be the best Flyweight(Donaire no.2), Super Bantamweight, Feather (Linares 2nd), Super Feather(Valero 2nd) Lightweight (Valero 3rd PITALUA IS AN ATG!!!) as well as 140, and now, 147.

 

But that's a completely different subject. The thread starter asked who was the best at JWW.

There's absolutely no way you can justify having him above those fighters with one fight at that weight.

 

you don't have to assume anything. its a mythical ranking between fighters of different eras.

You choose to assume that Chavez, Pryor, Tszyu, and Hatton are all better based on the fact that Pacquiao only had 1 fight at the weight, even though he looked amazing in it. I don't think that him not fighting at 140 often is any indication that those guys are better than him.

I also think RJJ is better than Calzaghe at 168, even though Calzaghe accomplished more. I think Floyd is better at 140 than Hatton, even though Hatton accomplished more.

it doesn't just apply to Pacquiao.

Before JMM ever fought at 135, I thought he was better at 135 than Casamayor and Juan Diaz. Even though he had NEVER fought there. Those things happen all the time. I thought Pacquiao was better at WW than Cotto even though Cotto had accomplished more at the weight.

 

You've never heard people disputing Arguello's punching power at 140lbs? They'd rather attribute Arguello's inability to knock his opponent out to his lack of power at 140lbs rather than Pryor's punch resistance.

I don't agree that the Rooney KO is totally insubstantial, like I said, you don't shut the lights out like that unless you can still hit for the weight. It's not a definitive way to establish how hard he hit at 140lbs, but it's my belief that with the technique Arguello possessed...he was always going to hurt opponents at 140lbs.

Was it in the 13th round where Arguello hit Pryor with a perfect straight right hand and Pryor didn't even look wobbled? Sure, his head went up to the lights, but that was it. He couldn't have thrown a better shot...unbelievable.

 

This isn't a 'favourite fighters list'.

You rank based on what they did at the weight. Pac has only beaten Hatton.

In the grand scheme of things **** all and **** off back to the General anyway,you know jack **** about boxing so guy rub up with the other Valero lovers:bart

 

I'm very much of the camp that Pryor was hard. as. ****.:good

 

You're mixing up 'can beat in a fight' with 'better'.

Fighter A beats Fighter B does not make Fighter A the best when Fighter C has beaten Fighter D, E, F,G,H(x2)

Do'ya see what I mean?

 

the threadstarter clearly said "Rank them in order from best to worse"

not "Rank them in order from most accomplished to least accomplished"

has nothing to do with who are my favorite fighters.