who is the best p4p ever

Who is that you are quoting?

I think Lamotta and Turpin would lose to Jones, and Gavilan would also as he is a Welterweight, he is more skilled IMO though.

This is a brilliant post, I have always said orthodoxy will always at some point triumph over unorthodoxy, just how Barrera dismantled Naseem Hamed.

 

i think this is a little too generalized. orthodoxy is more long lasting and substansive, but not necessarily better. great fighters are great fighters but the fundamentals definitely continue long after physical gifts are gone

 

Jones was a lot more substance than Hamed though.

 

Yeh, but a solid base is necessary, Hamed did not have one and another top fighter with a solid base comes along and batters him.

But yeh it is longer lasting.

Charles has more substance than Barrera.

 

Charles has more substance than just about everybody.

 

Your dead right. Charles is amazing.

Would KO Jones early.

 

:twisted::twisted:

 

Mayweather would school your boy quite easily.

ps: is it joke time already ?

 

Thanks Burt. Your approval is always appreciated.

I don't know if you or anyone caught the Khan-Malignaggi bout last Saturday but it was interesting. Max and co. were able to see that Khan's textbook discipline was one of the keys to his handling Malignaggi.

The question is why wasn't Malignaggi, supposedly "a superior boxer," able to at least win more rounds? The answers are clear but not limited to superior size and reach and power and comparable speed...

Malignaggi's foundation [ie. fundamentals] is not what a great stylist's foundation should be. He is slick, elusive, and has some technical skill but it is not settled into the reinforced concrete foundation of Pernell or Floyd (or Charley). He is a flashy stylist without the pedigree. And he couldn't handle another speed guy with a serious, controlling jab.

No commentator picked up on another tactic that Khan was employing. And it was critical: Khan was finishing on his left.

"Finishing on his left" -for the non-trainers out here, that means that his combinations would often conclude with a left jab or left hook. Why is this important?

Two reasons. One, a counterpuncher is looking for windows. If you throw a one-two, you will be inevitably hanging out there longer. More of your windows are open. Throwing a 1,2,1 enables you to catch him trying to counter you. Second, it shifts you right back into balance and into proper position. It's a beautyful thing.

[GPater. You want to practice this. It's something that I teach my novice class and it is a great habit.]

 

great analysis as always:good strange as it sounds hatton was, earlier in his career, quite good at finishing on his left as he often ended combinations with the jab