Who is the best trainer: roach or beristain?

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  1. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    Who do you think is better of the 2?

    Mine is roach.
     
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  2. Morrissey

    Morrissey Underrated Full Member

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    I have no idea on the boxers whom they are currently training, aside from Pac and JMM.
     
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  3. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    As of this moment of course it's going to be roach vs nacho in the pac-hoya fight. Nacho is such a sourgraper because he wanted to pull down pac to 135 just to face his baby doll again: jmm, if hoya beats him black and blue just like what he promised. He can't live with the fact pac defeated his boy twice imo.:rofl :rofl :rofl
    As for the boxers they trained, i think nacho trained rafa, jmm, guty espadas jr..and for raoch it's mccullough, izzy, b-hop, hoya, kirilov, tyson as far as i know.
    So on the list above as far as i know based on their fighters handled, roach has a more "deeper bench" if you would like to transcend a basketball term.
     
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  4. elgrancampeon

    elgrancampeon Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Beristain has JMM, Rafa, Abner Mares, Finito Lopez. Also unlike roach he has trained these fighters since the begging.
     
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  5. SHADOW BOX

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    Beristain hands down. He trained/trains Ricardo Lopez (Hall of Famer), Humberto "Chiquita" Gonzalez, Juan Manuel Marquez, and Rafael Marquez to name a few. Lopez was a great boxing technician who never lost, and we see the great boxing skills the Marquez bros bring to the table. As for Roach, I think Roach is more a product of Pacquiao not much the other way around.
     
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  6. Morrissey

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    I think Roach was able to maximized Pac's talent and strength.
     
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  7. SHADOW BOX

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    Nacho was with his fighters since the beginning and brought them up though. Roach got Izzy for a couple fights and then got fired. He trained DLH for one fight only and at the near end of his career. Same with Tyson and BHOP. Beristain for me.:deal
     
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  8. SHADOW BOX

    SHADOW BOX SHADOW BOX Full Member

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    I can see where you are coming from but how does that make Roach a better trainer than Beristain?
     
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  9. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    Simple: pac defeated nacho's boy jmm. That alone makes roach a notch higher than nacho.
    Plus pac is p4p #1 because of roach major role on pac's "evolution" as a fighter. If it were'nt for roach. pac would still be a lousy 1 dimensional pug like b4. On a span of 5 years pac has changed dramatically on his boxing smarts and skills.
    And i think roach is just too focused on pac. Maybe that's the reason there's not much passion of roach handling the other fighter aside for pac. Besides, we cannot blame roach fully if his fighter loses. Like on the b-hop fight, he kept telling b-hop to makes flurries and combinations and be busy with his hands, which b-hop obviously did not followed. Is it roach fault then, if b-hop was that stubborn? :huh
     
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  10. socrates

    socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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    roach.
     
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  11. soxfan57

    soxfan57 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It really is nearly impossible to say. We really DON'T KNOW how good certain trainers are...The only measurement is the performance of their fighters, and it seems to me in almost 100% of cases, the fighters make the trainers, not the other way around.
     
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  12. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    I think Manny Steward is better than both.
     
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  13. Hagler/Pryor

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    It's horses for courses, but a good trainer who knows you inside out and who is great at motivating you is usually better than a very good trainer who doesn't know you so well and what buttons to press when. Experience, phsychological insight and trust are key in training a fighter, that's why you see many top fighters returning to their old cow-shed trainer who took them to their first title fight, after their first defeat under a big star trainer.
     
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  14. mad_takamura

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    Then it will all go down to resumes, right? If i base my pick to your point that "the only measurement is the performance of their fighters,"i would have to compare pac's resume with roach and jmm's resume with nacho eversince he began his pro career. Since pac is p4p#1 right now and him with roach winning on a great list of fighters like larios, mab(2), em(2), jmm, ledwaba and diaz since 2003,compared to jmm's resume against jandaeng, polo, jaca, juarez, and controversial win with mab, and his recent win against old and shot casa.. then roach is better, compared to nacho.
     
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  15. mad_takamura

    mad_takamura It's getting hot in here! Full Member

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    FUNNY HE'S NOT ON THE POLL, RIGHT? :think
     
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