Is it that time of the month? Not feeling fresh? Is it the ol' red tag day for you? Would you like a hug? Calm down, bro, it was just a joke. If you can't take a little mudslinging then I will no longer participate in your little tea parties. :|
In his own right, yes, he is; however, Dawson is more fluid, has better skills, and beats Pavlik in my book.
lol i knew you would reply like that. hey i have no hard feelings against you personally, simply trying to teach you one of life's basic lessons about not being a dickhead. But sometimes thats just the way you're brought up so carry on if you wish I definately won't dwell on it
I think Pavlik is better right now...there isn't much in it at all, but he is better; however, Dawson has the potential to be much better. I think this is why people have trouble, here. Dawson hasn't proven what we all hope is true; Pavlik has proven his level, though If Dawson gets past Johnson and beats Diaconu, which will also prove his chin, Dawson would have proved himself better than Pavlik in my book, and worthy of a Top 10 spot, just about. :good
Dawson is a slicker boxer, has excellent ring generalship, and has better defense. Pavlik has beaten better competition, hits harder, has better stamina and workrate, also has excellent generalship, and is a better finisher. It really depends on what you personally look for in a fighter. There's no set guideline on what's "best". I'd go with Pavlik right now, but that could change depending on how Dawson looks against Glen Johnson. As for the poll question, Kelly Pavlik should clearly be ranked higher P4P.
good post. who is better than who is after all subjective. I know Dawson is good but i don't want to claim that he is better than Pavlik yet until i see him well tested. to be fair I did not see Dawson's fight against Adamek. in terms of pound 4 pound rankings, I do not believe that accomplishments should come into play in a pound for pound list other than to determine who is better than who. What i mean is that if someone were to ask you "Who are the 10 best boxers in the sport" that answer should be your top10 pound for pound list. IMO if Pavlik is on that list and Dawson isn't, then you can't turn around and say "Chad Dawson is better than Pavlik." That would be contradictory. for the record i rank Pavlik at 17 on my list, and Dawson at 18
That's not a bad way to look at it. I weigh accomplishments a little more, and consequently rank Pavlik a little higher than that, but I get your logic. As far as raw gym skills go, I probably would rate Dawson as being slightly higher..but I've seen Pavlik's game on fight night take out top, prime fighters. Dawson's close, but I have to see how handles his fights with better competition, like Johnson and Diaconu, to see if he looks as good. I didn't really think too highly of Harding at the stage he fought Dawson in, and so I still rank Adamek as his only significant win.
That's about the sum of it. :good Pavlik's more proven, but Dawson's the more talented and should, given time, achieve more and be more highly thought of. Calzaghe still beats him, though. :tong
Even with a bad chin(which Pavlik has), Dawson is 3x the fighter. Pavlik is a B rate fighter and so is Taylor, it's very obvious. Dawson has A class skill and A class ability, if his chin is ****, then he's B+. He'd still KILL Pavlik H2H in about 3 rounds maximum. Even P4P.:yep
How so? Dawson's fought better opposition. Pavlik's fought Zertuche, Miranda and Taylor, all 3 are limited opponents and all 3 tagged him up. If you think Taylor is anything more than overhyped, athletically gifted ring incompetence then think again. Dawson outclassed an aged Harding easily, nearly shutout Adamek. Adamek's a better fighter than Pavlik's ever fought and Dawson dealt with him easily, save for the KD. But when Dawson was KD'd, he came back strong and poised, he's a much better 'fighter', as he wasn't dealing with an incompetent Jermain Taylor.