Who is the better of the two and by how much-Sonny or George?

Hmm, The Patterson blow out Special and knockout Deluxe match Foremans wins over Norton and Moorer.
Williams*2 cover for the Chuvalo and Lyle wins.
I'm valuing the Machen win over the second Frazier win, considering Machen was prime (with some rumors of a compromised right hand) whereas Frazier was truly gone by then.
So it's Frazier 1 vs Foley, Besmanoff and Valdez.
Foreman has the single best win between them but Liston did a more thorough job clearing the division.

 

But Foreman spanned eras.

 

And sold grills, but aside from the Moorer win, his comeback is lacking in quality names (yes Qawi was good but unranked and rusty).

 

I feel like Foreman's wins kinda get reduced to only a few names whenever someone talks about his career. Let's not forget he's got the scalps of:
Peralta x2
Chuvalo
Kirkman
Frazier x2
Norton
LeDoux
Denis
Qawi
Cooper
Cooney
Stewart
Coetzer
Moorer
Briggs (Should be)
Now yes, some of the men like Qawi and Cooney weren't at their best, but they were still game, and still are good names on the board.

 

Valdes beat
Charles no1
London no 8
McMurtry no5
Bethea no8
Cockell no3
Erskine
Richardson
Summerlin
Sys
Neuhaus
DeJohn
Carter

Johnson beat
Charles
Machen
Moore
Bivins no7
Godoy
Satterfield no6
Jones
Hank
Charles
Giliam
Slade
Henry no5

 

I think you'll find that everybody lost to Sugar Ray.

 

Er nooooooo............Valdes was good enough to beat Ezzard Charles and Tommy ' Hurricane ' Jackson.
As Pedro has pointed out Valdes defeated a younger version of the great Ezzard Charles then Marciano did.
Like Valdes Johnson defeated Ezzard Charles,plus Eddie Machen.
Honestly,you should check these things out before posting.

 

If he did check,it wouldn't stop him from posting lies, I've corrected him multiple times, he still posts the same **** again.

 

Nino Valdes also lost against Archie Moore who beat him like a drum to get Marciano.

And Marciano KOed Charles.

 

Contenders who beat other B level fighters, if they're even that.

Satterfield and Moore beat Valdes like a drum.

 

Because he was great fighter, but he was smaller man than LaMotta.

 

In what way does an ancient retired Gerry Cooney of 1990 compared to a peak active Cleveland Williams of 59-60?

 

Cheers mate.You've certainly done a thorough job in trying to educate him !

 

Actually you're right SQ,I should have pointed out to our friend that the Cleveland Williams who was beaten twice by Sonny Liston was far more formidable than the extremely washed-up
version of Cooney who lost to Foreman.

 

And it was still a great victory by LaMotta.