Who is the better of the two and by how much-Sonny or George?

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Who

Poll closed Aug 26, 2024.
  1. Sonny Liston

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  2. George Foreman

    55.6%
  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    No he didn't it was a tough competitive fight.
    In the rough battle, referee Jim Braddock took one round away from each battler because of low blows. There were no knockdowns but each was knocked back onto his heels several times during the exciting slugging match. Archie Moore was bleeding from the nose and mouth at the finish, and his left eye also was swollen. But he could see very well. Nino Valdes forced the fighting in nearly every round and tried to impale his bobbing-weaving opponent with long left jabs and whistling rights. In the 13th session, Nino's left eye was closed tightly shut and he fought on half-blinded and fatigued. Moore's superiority in the 14th and 15th rounds clinched the fight and gave Moore his 20th straight victory." - United Press

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    • Moore was to have had a tuneup fight against Frankie Daniels in San Diego, California, on March 18, 1955. However, the bout was canceled and Moore's license was revoked by the state commission after doctors said Moore had a heart ailment. The following month, a specialist declared Moore's heart to be "extraordinarily good," and his fight with Valdes went on as scheduled.
    • Promoter Jack Kearns announced that Moore and Valdes would fight for the "World Heavyweight Championship of Nevada." Referring to World Heavyweight Champion Rocky Marciano, Kearns said, "That other guy refused to fight either Moore or Valdes, so they're declaring the title vacant and the winner will claim it."
    • Moore was a 2 to 1 betting favorite.
    • Moore was the reigning World Light Heavyweight Champion, and Valdes was the No. 1-ranked heavyweight contender.
    • There was a crowd of 10,800, and the gate receipts were $102,678.
    • Former World Heavyweight Champion James J. Braddock was the referee and sole judge.
    • The Associated Press had the fight even going into the final round. The AP reported: "Moore closed fast to win the decision."
    • The United Press scored the fight 8-6-1 for Moore.
     
  2. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This is what you posted and its B S from a Bull Shitter!

    So according to you Nino Valdes and Harold Johnson were mediocre ? Oh my word....
    "So what they are?
    Nino Valdes was beaten by every good fighter he faced and Harold Johnson was too."
     
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  3. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Liston is the better overall fighter (technique, ring IQ, timing, etc), but Foreman has slightly more raw power and better intangibles (heart, chin). There isn't a ton separating them and they're roughly on par on my h2h list with Prime Liston perhaps being the slightly greater threat than 70's Foreman. As for Old Foreman, he's inferior to both, but has the better endurance and timing I think.

    Foreman is more accomplished obviously and has better signature wins, but Liston's resume has a little more depth with more ranked contenders and a more convincing win streak. Liston's time in prison and taking such long breaks between title defenses really hurt his career.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    And Satterfield was a smaller man than Lamotta when they fought!
     
  5. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes, but is shows that if even LaMotta could crack his chin he wasn't good fighter.
     
  6. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Moore beat him like a drum nothing better than that, like Ali beat Terrel and Mathis.
     
  7. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    If they weren't medicore fighters in weak era I would maybe think higher of them but, they were contenders in era that wasn't great= medicore.
     
  8. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Tua is then bigger man than Lennox Lewis and Galento is bigger man than Frazier by your logic.
     
  9. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Lol
     
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  11. White Bomber

    White Bomber Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Liston won't take a dive this time.
     
  12. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    This remains the bottom line.
     
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  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Read the fight report you cretin!
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Tua has a 50 in chest, massive biceps and legs.
    Yes his body is bigger than Lewis .All Lennox has on him is height .

    Galento was bigger than Frazier just a bit shorter.
    That's not logic its just common sense ,something you lack!
     
  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    He won’t have to.