Who is the biggest person Rocky Marciano fought?

I'll put my posts were the hell I like. Who put you in charge?
I haven't quoted you at all. I only quote decent posts.

 

Lyle and Mercer beat the 51 Louis.
nb that's a quote.

 

He wasn't beating anybody who was that good and had no rating 1in 1972.

Bivens? Who was he better than?

Savold wasn't beating anybody particularly good either and at least Cooney still had size and power along with not being 36 years old. Same kind of win even if Savold was a little better off at that point.

About the only guy who rightfully deserved to be ranked higher than Lewis at that time is Bowe and that's a narrow claim at best

Lyle at 6'3", 220 lbs would have five inches in height and 35 lbs in weight over Rocky and was better at age 35 than Louis was at age 37. He went life and death with two atg punchers and beat one of them while giving the other fits.. If you want to say that Marciano would have beaten him in the ring based on legacy or that he defeated an old Louis who was STILL smaller than Lyle, not a natural at that elevated weight and not to mention past prime and not even the same sort of fighter, then so be it.. Frankly I don't think arguing for 10 pages over it was worth either of our time. Common sense tells me that there are some matches that are all wrong for certain fighters and this is one of them. Marciano would opt to go for the gusto and knock Lyle out and be met with the fight of his life - possibly even get KO"d himself.. Not that hard to envision.

 

Ray Mercer lost to a 42-year-old Larry Holmes. I certainly wouldn't count on him beating a 37-year-old Joe Louis.

 

Mercer also took everything Morrison could throw at him and came back to ko him

.Morrison would have had Louis on the deck with some of those left hooks.
Louis was not muscular against Marciano.I have a picture of Louis skipping rope when he was prime, its in my hall ,next to it is Louis against the ropes, being clocked by Marciano, the muscle defiinition difference in the two pictures is startling.

 

Bad comparison. Holmes used his jab, footwork, and the ring to beat Ray Mercer . Louis would be trading in close range. That's got knockout written all over it. Hindsite also showed us that Holmes would stick around and be a player for years after that fight.. Louis was finished after Rocky.

 

-Beating Mildenberger, Chuvalo, Peralta, Martin, and Middleton while giving hard fights to Frazier, Ali, Patterson, Lyle, and Ellis were good enough to see him ranked as a top fighter for a decade(minus year end 72) If you disagree, than you need to revaluate your opinion of that era.

-Gate keeper Bivins was better than Morrison and Shavers, and on the level with late 90s Spoon.

-Regardless, good KO over a sturdy survivor.

-He was knocked out by McCall and had only beat Butler and Morrison since. If you thank that makes him #1 or #2, ok.

-Can we start listing Lyle's 220 as artifical elevated weight? He was in his 30s afterall.

 

I think people are pushing the "Joe Louis was awful in 1951" too hard, just to discredit Marciano probably.

 

Have you only seen 51 Louis vs Marciano? Louis was primarly jabbing guys to death at this stage. Good foot work too. He wasn't trading at close range if he couldn't help it.

 

So the other day I took a massive dump, I think I need to go to the doctor for a check up or maybe I should just lay off the fiber. It has nothing to do with what I just quoted but there you go.

 

Why would he be trading in close range? Surely he'd just jab and box Mercer's socks off. Box, with skill. Should do the trick against an inferior boxer. You seem to have Mercer's imaginary vaunted power coming to the rescue again. He's knocking out prime Marciano and old Louis now?
Funny that he hardly knocked out any decent elite HWs in his own time.

Yeah, that's probably because Rocky battered Louis into retirement, whereas Mercer lost to Holmes.

 

In the case of Seamus, most likely.

Otherwise, there is too much of a tendacy to compare Louis to his youtfhul self and not see the older version for what it was.

A good 6'2ish" 213 lbs fit boxer with a strong jab, dangerous left hook, good stamina, high IQ, average speed, and solid all aorund skills. That's what he was.

He wasn't an overweight cruiser, he wasn't a mummy, he wasn't suffering from dementia..etc.

 

Ain't that the truth.

 

I agree. 51 Louis was not 41 Louis but he was still a decent, in shape active contender like berbick or Mercer or Lyle and about their size too.

 

He lost to a 36-year-old Ferguson, and before anyone gets the excuses in, I'll point out that he very barely beat Jesse in the rematch, when he came in very motivated and in much better physical shape.