Who is the biggest person Rocky Marciano fought?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Marciano faced 16 men who were lighter than him, 6 of them were under or near the Lhvy limit.

    He only defended against 1 challenger of 200lbs or over ,5'9", fat ****ell, who was a LHvy until glandular fever wrecked his metabolism.

    Jackson was a 4-2-0 novice who never fought again.

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    You're not saying the heavy guys that Marciano fought were the greatest fighters?
    Big of you , they were at best journeymen, at worst bodies.

    Marciano never beat a class man of 200lbs who was in his prime.

    This proves to me the jury is still out how he would deal with a true heavyweight banger of 200lbs plus.
     
  2. JLP 6

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    Being over 200 pounds was considered not being in fighting shape unless you were naturally that size.

    Being agile, quick hand and foot were considered desirable over brawn and bulk. Having the extra weight never made you a better puncher since it slowed your timing and snap. Having great balance, timing, and defense also contributes to greatness. If you were excessively heavy you would not be able to wheel out of trouble if you found your self in it. You were more likely to be flat-footed while sleeker heavyweights were able to manuever around your slower punches.

    This is why those guys shunned lifting weights and any weight training that hindered speed. If you were overweight in those days you were likely to get the snot beat out of you by someone who weighed considerably less i.e Rocky Maricano.

    The jury will always be out when great fighters fight each other but, what is not in despute is that a third of Rocky's opponents were over 200 pounds and that he had the power to put down and out men over 200 pounds...at an average of just under four rounds!

    Not bad for a "Crusierweight".
     
  3. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    If you are going to quote me, limit your comments to what is actually in the quote.

    I don't see anything in here about the two specific punches I commented on. You should have just made a new post to get this rant out of your system.
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    We are not talking about being excessively heavy, we are talking about big punching heavyweights who were around 200lbs or more in their primes.

    NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN IT.

    MARCIANO NEVER BEAT ONE.

    HE IS THEREFORE, UNPROVEN AGAINST THAT THAT CALIBRE OF OPPONENT!
     
  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think Gerry Cooney would give the rock fits.
     
  6. JLP 6

    JLP 6 Fighter/Puncher Full Member

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    Who's spinning? Me? What did I spin? Why the CAPS?

    "The title of this thread is who is the biggest person Rocky Maricano fought?" I provided the stats. I gave a few thoughts that are plain 'O facts. Not sure what the agenda is for you. What do you want me to say? "Rocky never beat great fighters over 200 pounds"...OK, Rocky never beat great fighters over 200 pounds. No spin there only agreement. Will you accept that we agree? Probably not.

    Or "Rocky cannot beat today great 250 pounders". Maybe..maybe not. Great is great and that is where I put the argument not weight because Rocky KO'ed guys over two hundred pounds which means he has the power to stop big men regardless of skill. That seems reasonable since the fact is he KO'ed 200 pounders over 10 times each time he fought them at an average of four rounds. Facts for me..spin for you?

    Later
     
  7. Seamus

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    I like how it is asserted that today's top heavyweights should all be 20 pounds less while an aging Joe Louis, who fought 10-15 pounds over his prime weight, represents an elite large heavyweight on Marciano's resume.

    Well done, yea fabricators of double standards. Well done, indeed.
     
  8. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Maybe this will break some ground.

    How does 1951 Joe Louis stack up against these similar sized contenders from future decades?

    Ron Lyle
    Trevor Berbick
    Ray Mercer
    Alexander Povetkin

    I think he holds up pretty good.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    I think THAT version of Joe Louis has problems finishing some of them off, given that those were fairly durable heavyweights you listed, and Louis had lost a lot of his finishing ability. While he may decision some of them, he could also drop a loss or two as well.
     
  10. The Mongoose

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    So he's about on even ground, win some/lose some. That's how I see it too.
     
  11. mr. magoo

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    I think that's fair.
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    I think matching all these guys up in a guantlet would produce similar results, overall they are roughly about the same level of contender. So moving forward, we could say Marciano beating Louis is evidence at the very least that he couldi hold his ground and/or beat fighters of that size and substance.
     
  13. Dorfmeister

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    Joe Louis was done by the time he faced Marciano, actually I never understood why he took that fight. Marciano came in with a 38 fight winning streak, 33 by KO and even dwarfed by Louis, Rocky was in his prime and jumped on him from the opening bell. It was only a 10 round affair but Louis could not impose his jab or unleash right crosses on his half-crouched opponent, something which already had happened with Art Godoy from Chile and lately with Ezzard Charles in 1950. Louis was just fighting him in the inside and nailing him with short jabs and short left hooks, whereas Rocky bobbing and weaving set Louis for that big overhand right that Charles already had hit him with and shut his eye with. Louis won the 5th and the 6th round on boxing ability but eventually Marciano crowded him and busted him with a big left hook in round 8 and from that point on, Louis had no legs, no sharp punches to keep him off and no way to swallow more heymakers on the ropes, one of the saddest moments in boxing history.
     
  14. Unforgiven

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    I guess the criteria people are looking for are:

    1. Full-blown heavyweight, (at least 210 or 215 pounds, and 6'2, at least.)
    2. Big puncher.
    3. Skillful.
    4. Genuine top flight contender with good record.
    5. Young/prime.
     
  15. The Mongoose

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    Not too many of those in any era.