Who is the biggest PPV star right now

The title asked for PPV star, not just star. There is a difference; not just in numbers, but in the way they are perceived and what they trully mean.

When talking about PPV and quoting figures, these figures are nearly always just PPV buys in America. A true star, and not just PPV star, is world wide and not just in America so all PPV and non PPV figures should count.

He rarely gets mentioned in these PPV stars threads as A) he doesn't usually fight on PPV, and B) he isn't huge in America, but, numbers wise, Wlad is one of the most watched boxers in the world.

That is the difference. PPV star just means how many Americans buy the PPV. A boxing star is a mix of how many people watch a certain boxers fights and how spread out across the globe is said boxers appeal.

Pacquiao is probably still the number one active PPV star and he is also, without doubt, the number one global star.

 

So you think Wlad is the second biggest star? How big of a star can you possibly be when you have had only limited success breaking into the biggest market? And neither boring or foreign can be used as an excuse because Floyd and Manny already have those covered.

Wlad is actually quite lucky he comes from that foreign market where there is not as much competition for viewership, he'd have gotten paid even less here in America since no one would care when his fight was on in his own backward if it in were America. Manny had explosiveness to combat being foreign, and Floyd had personality to combat being "boring" Wlad simply has nothing going for him.

 

Honest question, if GGG knocks out Canelo in spectacular fashion does GGG steal the PPV baton from him? :think

 

I didn't say Wlad was the second biggest star in boxing. I was just using him as an example to illustrate the difference between a star and a PPV star as you seemed to think there was no difference.

Wlad is probably the best example as he is certainly not a PPV star in America, yet more people in the Ukraine alone watch him than people in America watch the greatest PPV star of all time in Mayweather. Now this doesn't make him a global star. He is more of a European star, yet the number of people who watch him is staggering compared to so called PPV stars.

That is why i used him. PPV star essentially means American star. Wlad is definately not one of those. However, his viewing figures dwarf most fighters.

 

It's possible but who knows people pay for perceived competitive matchups, then again a high profile name could boost his profile to the point where he could do decent numbers regardless.

I think both are in a different position Canelo has way more options, its a limited number of really intriguing fight's for GGG its really hard to say Hopkins beat Hoya and Trinidad yet was never as big JMM arguably beat Pac 4 times and was never as big.

 

Two of the biggest ppv stars of this generation were not American, Manny Cotto And now we have Canelo on the brink. So that is no type of excuse, the fact is if you are hot commodity, aka, huge star, a premium would be paid for you. Wlad has no excuse other than not being very popular for not having the right ingredients to be a big star.

Three out of four of the biggest ppv stars were not American, so no, ppv star does not essentially mean American. Wlad just does not have the "it" factor. ppv star simply means a star so big a premium can be charged, so biggest ppv star is the biggest star, they are the same.

 

It's clearly Mr. Cinnamon

 

Sorry, i may have worded it wrong. Me saying PPV star equates to American star; i don't mean they have to be American. I mean they are big in America. Appologies for any confusion.

Regardless of what you or me think of Wlad, the numbers tell us the Wlad is huge, in boxing terms, in Europe. He could therefore be described as a Euro star. He is not a star in America and because PPV is so entrenched these days in American boxing (and British boxing for that matter) he is therefore not a PPV star. This doesn't mean though that he is not a star in other parts of the world.

This is what i am trying to point out; there is a difference between what we call a star and a PPV star. The numbers clearly tell us this. Just look at where the numbers come from. When ever we hear that so-and-so generated X amount of PPV sales, these don't mean world wide sales. They are just PPV numbers for America. Therefore, you can be big news around the world, and hence be a star, but still not sell any PPVs in America and not be a PPV star in the sense of what a PPV star essentially means in boxing (doing good numbers on PPV in the American market)

 

Yeah. PPV s****om is tricky. You have to have "star power" and very few athletes have that. You see Mayweather who isn't in competitive, compelling match ups yet people bought because he has a starpower and the X-factor which was literally being hated and undefeated at the same time. Pacquiao has starpower and the X-factor of being really kind outside the ring, yet destroying opponents on the inside (in his prime days &#128521. They both helped each other out as well by having that huge rivalry.

I think star power is a combination of personality, charisma, and appeal. It's something that a person has outside the ring, and I believe one of the most important qualities in being a PPV star.

Like you said, Hopkins is an ATG and relatively unknown to casuals. I don't think he had starpower.

 

I agree to an extent one thing though is Mayweather and Pacquiao has intriguing opponent's, just look at their ledger one is fighting nothing but Champions and the other is perceived as small conquering giants.

Both were solidified HOF level fighters before getting huge

 

Fighters have been HOF'ers and in big fights before without ever becoming a mainstream star though. It just takes something real special to make the entire world turn and watch. I give tons of credit to Golovkin and his team for never having a true challenge in his professional career and yet making the whole boxing world turn and watch. I mean, a Khazak fighter who's only been in America for a few years and selling out the MSG against an opponent no one thought could beat him? Stuff like that doesn't happen. Lol. And he did all that without ever having a big name opponent, but by simply beating opponents in big ways.

Idk who it'll be, but I think the establishment of the next PPV star will be really interesting and fun to watch the next few years.

 

:good

 

That is true but no PPV star has ever become one without having a few world class opponents on their resume, GGG is exciting any exciting fighter will get views but as seen by his attempt at PPV it takes the right opponent as well.

 

Wlad is not a ppv star because he doesn't want to be one, it's just that he can't be one. He would make far more money through ppv, but no one is gonna pay to see a heavyweight fight like that, not here, or there. Since we know what he would do if he could, than it stands to show that is a big knock against his star power that he can't, and it does not relieve him of being measured by the ultimate and would be common measuring stick of ppv.

All ppv guys would see much higher numbers if they fought on free broadcast, but then the measuring stick would be convoluted by many other like factors like star boxer country origin population, access, tv viewership competition etc. So there is no perfect measuring stick, what's more important is that the same measuring stick is used.

That measuring with the least factors against it is ppv. Before you respond you should remember that Wlad would indeed be a ppv star if he could just like other foreigners. And you keep saying ppv for America but I don't think that's the right way to look at it, they are ppv numbers for a fight that happen to take place in America just like Wlad has the opportunity to do. I have feeling I will not convince you but it's cool, it's an interesting subject anyway.